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Help, please, to identify place-name
« on: Tuesday 14 September 10 17:23 BST (UK) »
On the Latter-day Saints' transcription of the 1881 census for Glamorgan, my great-grandfather's birthplace is transcribed as Laucynon, Carmarthenshire, which is clearly incorrect.  I have looked at the handwritten version and am none the wiser as the handwriting is virtually undecipherable.  Can anybody suggest which parish this might be?  It's bad enough looking for a Thomas Jones in Carmarthenshire without this sort of complication!!

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Re: Help, please, to identify place-name
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 17:49 BST (UK) »
couple of suggestions
  •Llansadwrn
•Llansadwrnen
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Help, please, to identify place-name
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 17:51 BST (UK) »
have a look at the parishes begining with L  ,,See if anything catches yer eye  ;)

http://genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/indexpars.html
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Help, please, to identify place-name
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 17:57 BST (UK) »
This is the actual image - it may help  :-\

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Lancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton
Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peak(e)
Devon: Martin, Walter(s)


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Re: Help, please, to identify place-name
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 18:59 BST (UK) »
1871 they're in the same street as in 1881 - Tymaen Street. RG10/5425 folio 98 pg 43. Place of birth for Thomas looks to be Llanwynio/Llanwinio

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanwinio/index.html

Do you have a birth cert for any of the children to get mother's maiden name & so find marriage of Thomas & Margaret? This looks a possible for 5 year old Emily in 1881

Emily Jones june qtr 1875 Neath vol 11a pg 680
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Help, please, to identify place-name
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 19:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Mo, for the photo of the original.  When I first saw it I read it as Lancrynis or possibly Lancrynio.  Yes, Osprey, I too thought the 1871 version looked like Llanwynio, though in the 1891 census it looks like Llanwyer.  I do have a birth certificate for another daughter, Hannah, who was my grandmother and born in October 1881 (too late for that year's census) and have established the mother's maiden name as Thomas, but this hasn't helped a great deal as her place of birth is variously shown as Margam (1871 census), Michaelstone (i.e. Cwmavon, 1881) and Oakwood (1891), so they could have been married in any one of four places.  Why couldn't their surname have been Featherstonehaugh?!!

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Re: Help, please, to identify place-name
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 19:43 BST (UK) »
well that would certainly get mistrancribed!

All those places are in the Neath registration district. Possible marriage?
Thomas Jones june qtr 1865 Neath vol 11a pg 707 with Margaret Thomas on the same page ( the other 2 names on the page look to be a couple in 1871)

Nothing like Llanwyer in Carms. I've checked 'A check-list of Welsh Place Names' as well.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/gazetteer.html
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb