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Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« on: Saturday 18 September 10 16:19 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find out some more about this husband and wife who were in New South Wales by 1846.

Samuel (b.1818) was from St Budeaux, Devon and Emily (b.1826) was from London.  They married 1845 in London (not sure where).

They had 3 known children in New South Wales -

John b.1846
Frederick b.1848
Fransisca b. 1852

Emily died in 1868 in Cooma, NSW but I have nothing more about the family or what happened to the children. 

Her brother John Nicholas Sievers (b.1837) apparently also went to Australia, but he is an absolute blank other than his birth in London.

Any information about their life in Australia would be gratefully received.

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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 September 10 22:31 BST (UK) »
The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser NSW 31st July 1884
SUDDEN DEATH.-On Tuesday evening Samuel Thicknesse died very suddenly and in circumstances of a very melancholy character at his residence, East Maitland road. He retired to bed about 9 o'clock, and afterwards became very restless and complained of heart-burn. He subsequently got out of bed to get something to ease his pain, and Mrs. Thicknesss, who was in-bed, immediately heard a fall, and on getting up she saw her husband lying on the floor. She endeavored to raise him, and being unable to do so, she went to the front door and called for assistance, Two young men, who were passing, responded to the call, and on lifting the unfortunate man up, found that life was extinct. Dr. Russell afterwards attended. The deceased was 66 years old, was born in England, and had been a school-teacher until about twelve months ago, when he was superannuated. For some time past he had been in reduced circumstances, owing to losses, and fretted a good deal, but did not appear to be in ill-health. Yesterday afternoon an inquest was held before Mr. A.Vindin,  coroner, at Mr George Galley's, Cross Keys Inn, when the above facts were elicited. Dr. Russell, in conjunction with Drs Blackwell, made a post mortem examination of the body, and found that all the organs were perfectly healthy, except the heart and kidneys, which were diseased ; and the medical evidence was that the disease of those organs was the cause of death, The Jury found in accordance with such evidence.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18933832?searchTerm=thicknesse

It appears that he must have remarried after Emily died in October 1868, (his age also fits born 1818)

The Sydney Morning Herald 5th Oct 1868
Deaths
On the 28th September, at her residence, Seymour, Maneroo, EMILY SARAH EUPHEMIA, the beloved wife of Samuel THICKNESSE, after a long and painful illness, aged 42.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13173761?searchTerm=samuel%20thickness

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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 18 September 10 22:50 BST (UK) »
Banns were read between Samuel THeodore JAMES bachelor and Emily Uphemia SIEVERS spinster minor on the 21, 28 and 5th 1845 at St Dunstan and all Saints Stepney.

there is a date of 7 Oct 1845 preceeeding the banns dates (covering 5 couples with same banns dates) wonder if it is possibly the marriage date.

Looks like the marriage was in West Ham district in the Dec 1/4

THICKNESSE Samuel James Theodore = SIEVERS Emily Sarah Euphemia 12 599

There is this curious assisted immigration

Sep 1862 aboard the OCEAN EMPRESS

Samuel THICKNESS 44 single, native place Plymouth Devon occ Schoolmaster. was C of E and could read and write

not spotting him in 1861

MMM Now this seems to fit with Logan's find. Are their 2 Samuels?

The only baptism I am spotting is

Samuel James Theodore THICKNESSE baptised 7 Jul 1819 Plymouth St Budeaux parents John and Sarah (father Captain RN)

Cheers Kris  :)
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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 September 10 22:53 BST (UK) »
The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser 30th April 1853
To the Editor of the Maitland Mercury.
National School, Stanhope,
April 28th, 1853.
SIR-A false and malicious report having been circulated with intent to injure my   character, stating that I had received funds from the Board of National Education for the repairs of the School House, at Stanhope, and having written to the Board of National Edu- cation stating that fact, I beg that you will have the goodness to insert in your paper, an extract of the reply I received from W C. Wills, Esq , Secretary to the Board of National Education, dated the 19ih April, 1853.-I re- main, sir, your obedient servant,
SAML. THICKNESSE,
Teacher of the National School,
Stanhope.

EXTRACT.
" 2. In reply, I am desired to state, in order that you may have it officially in your power to contradict any such slanderous assertions-That you have never received any funds whatever from the Board of National Education for the repairs of the National School, at Stanhope."
1342.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/666575?searchTerm=thicknesse#pstart127785


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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 September 10 23:08 BST (UK) »
Well it is the same man Logan has found, remarried.

Samuel James Theodor THICKNESSE = Sarah Ann THURSTON Bega 1873 #1913

Can't find any Samuel THICKNESS on any census to date. All seems to fit with the passenger list re age and occupation. What on earth was he doing back in England applying for assisted passage in 1862.  ???

Kris  :)
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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 September 10 23:35 BST (UK) »
good find Krisejoint  ;D

Looks like John THICKNESSE 'stomping ground' was Kiama, NSW
(John's son Lyle Thicknesse)
THICKNESSE - May 1. 1940. Lyle Hamilton, beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. J. Thicknesse. Terralong Street. Kiama, aged 24 vears. (Result of accident). 
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27950842?searchTerm=lyle+thicknesse
(John's Wife and children named)
THICKNESSE. Elizabeth Ann -July 10 1948. at Kiama District Hospital beloved wife of John Thicknesse and dear mother of Jack, Dorrie, Jean, Clive, Sam and Lyle (deceased) aged 68 years
THICKNESSE-The Relatives and Friends of Mr John Thicknesse and Family are kindly Invited to attend the Funeral of his beloved Wife and their dear Mother ELIZABETH ANN THICK-NESSE to leave her late residence Terralong Street Kiama This Day (Monday) after a Service commencing at 3 pm. for the Kiama Cemetery K. Kendall Funeral Director Kiama
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18077514?searchTerm=john+thicknesse%2C+kiama#pstart1014211



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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 18 September 10 23:42 BST (UK) »
John SIEVERS (but cannot confirm this is your man, could be a 'red herring';)
Syndey Morning Herald 8 April 1864
WEST MAITLAND, Thursday, 7.45 pm.
At the Circuit Court to-day Michael M'Laughlin was sentenced to eighteen months' imprisonment. John Sievers, for firing with intent, on the highway, was found guilty, and sentenced to fifteen years.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13088866?searchTerm=john+sievers


(Jack THICKNESSE, son of John THICKNESSE) 11April 1940 (not confirmed though, could be John W. Thicknesse son )
marriage reg no. 18128/1935  John W. THICKNESSE  to Lesley J. THOMPSON, district PADDINGTON      
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17663516?searchTerm=thicknesse  (photo)
MRS. JACK THICKNESSE and her two small daughters, JANET and VALERIE. Mrs. Thicknesse was formerly Miss Lesley Thompson, of Melbourne, and Australia's champion diver, who represented this country at the Empire Games in London in 1934.


Think this should be your main 'port of call'
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm#Search

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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 September 10 06:57 BST (UK) »
Monaro Pioneers site has 11 references to people with surname THICKNESSE (and 1 for THICKNESS) includes this person.
http://www.monaropioneers.com/

THICKNESSE, Samuel James Theodore m 1873 in Bega to Sarah Ann THURSTON,
one child listed to this couple:  Edward S THICKNESSE. b: 1886 in Bega, NSW d: 1947 in Sydney, NSW

Looks like some certs are needed to unravel the number of Samuel James Theodore THICKNESSs there are!  This one could even be the one who was husband of Emily, (as Kris has already said)  as he would have been 55 at the time of the marriage - although 68 at the time of the birth of Edward - still not impossible.

There is also this person:
THICKNESS, Augusta Emily Frances b: 3 Mar 1850 in Market St., Wollongong, NSW d: 20 Jan 1934 in Mosman, NSW
NSW BMDs would suggest that Augusta is another child of Samuel and Emily
Death 1934  Augusta E MOULD, parents Samuel M T and Emily reg at MOSMAN  #3120
Marriage: 1870  George Y MOULD  = Augusta E F THICKNESSE, reg at SHOALHAVEN  #3402

Doesn't appear to be a burial record on the site for Emily

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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 19 September 10 07:32 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

There is a photo of  "Sam THICKNESS (Emily's father) " and "Mrs Sam THICKNESS (Emily's mother)"  and many other photos including Augusta Mould and lots of biographical info at this link

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mould/mould/book/gymould.htm

Cheers,  JM
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