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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 19 September 10 08:13 BST (UK) »
So Samuel's 2nd wife Sarah (nee Thurston) suffered a  nasty accident      :o  'ouch'

The Syndey Morning Hearld, Monday 18th May 1874 page 5.
SINGULAR ACCIDENT - The Bega Gazette re- ports that Mrs. S. Thicknesse, of Bembooks, met with a
serious accident in a peculiar manner, on Friday last. Mrs. Thicknesse went out for a walk with some children, and coming to a clump of dead wattles not far from Mr. Power's house, she tried to pull down a piece of stick which was lodged in one of the trees. The very slight effort used as sufficient to cause one of the trees to break off short at the roots; the tree fell on Mrs Thicknesse, and   pinned her to the ground. The children gave the alarm, and Messrs. Power and J. Kiss ran and extracted Mrs. Thicknesse from her position, and carried her home, when it was found that a shoulder and leg were dislocated, and it is feared the latter is broken.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13342258/1447301?zoomLevel=3#pstart1447301

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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 19 September 10 10:14 BST (UK) »
wow!  ;D  thank you everybody!

The assisted passage is interesting - obviously something was happening money-wise with him if the obit is anything to go by or that newspaper report that Logan found about him allegedly defrauding.  I wonder if that followed him around and he couldn't get employment as a consequence?

It certainly fits date wise if he remarried to Sarah (and the poor girl with that accident  :o). 

I had wondered about the child Augusta as I had spotted her randomly but could never fit her in but looking at her death, she is almost certainly Samuel & Emily's.  She certainly fits in that gap between Frederick & Fransisca which bearing mind the multitude of kids people had then, was a little odd unless there had been a death then.   Augusta is Samuel's mother's middle name.   Emily's family were very fond of triple barrelled christian names as well.

re the baptism Kris found: - I could only ever find the one Samuel J T Thickness being born around 1818-1819 in that area too so I think its definitely him in all the information found.  The fact that his father was an RN is good albeit circumstantial evidence that it was him as Emily's family (including in laws to her siblings) were all in the Navy and Captain Whoever...

the John Sievers could well be mine....I'll do a bit more digging, but anything's possible!  He just disappears off the planet and going to jail could have been an option for his fate! 

thank you for the photos as well JM & the information Judith.  I think all in all, until someone says otherwise, its the same family.

I can fill in all the gaps now that you have all found that they hadn't dropped off the earth!!

Thanks again  :)
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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 19 September 10 10:43 BST (UK) »
good find Krisejoint  ;D

Looks like John THICKNESSE 'stomping ground' was Kiama, NSW
(John's son Lyle Thicknesse)
THICKNESSE - May 1. 1940. Lyle Hamilton, beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. J. Thicknesse. Terralong Street. Kiama, aged 24 vears. (Result of accident). 
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27950842?searchTerm=lyle+thicknesse
(John's Wife and children named)
THICKNESSE. Elizabeth Ann -July 10 1948. at Kiama District Hospital beloved wife of John Thicknesse and dear mother of Jack, Dorrie, Jean, Clive, Sam and Lyle (deceased) aged 68 years
THICKNESSE-The Relatives and Friends of Mr John Thicknesse and Family are kindly Invited to attend the Funeral of his beloved Wife and their dear Mother ELIZABETH ANN THICK-NESSE to leave her late residence Terralong Street Kiama This Day (Monday) after a Service commencing at 3 pm. for the Kiama Cemetery K. Kendall Funeral Director Kiama
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18077514?searchTerm=john+thicknesse%2C+kiama#pstart1014211




This is John S W Thickness' son by the look of it - have found the children with mother Elizabeth Ann being born in Berry, NSW and his parents John S W & Nancy in Shoalhaven.

There is another John W married to a Susan A in Bega but it doesn't look like he's mine as John & Susan are having children at the same time as John S W Jnr & Elizabeth.
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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 19 September 10 13:43 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

From your OP,  Her brother John Nicholas Sievers (b.1837) apparently also went to Australia, but he is an absolute blank other than his birth in London and  Logan's possible find  http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13088866

Here's several more cuttings, one giving his origins as Germany and indicating he was not fully conversant with English, plus one has the trial in detail..

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18706219
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18699463
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1870268

I mention this because it seems to me that his given names would be Anglo so perhaps the chap in the newspapers was not Emily's brother .... 

NSW State Records do have Gaol Records in their archives, including Gaol Photographs, and full descriptions etc.  http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/gaol-records/index-to-the-gaol-photographs.  I don't know for certain, but I think (from memory) in the 1860's that chap would have been serving time in Darlinghurst... 


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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 19 September 10 14:50 BST (UK) »

Fransisca b. 1852


This will be her christening & death:

THICKNESS Framcissa T C - Christening; 1852         
Father:   Samuel J T
Mother:   Emily S
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18523199 38A   
Parish: Oakville; Whittingham; Wollombi, Church of England


THICKNESSE F T  Caroline - Death; 1854
Age at Death: INFANT
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18541848 41A   
Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England

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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 19 September 10 18:55 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

From your OP,  Her brother John Nicholas Sievers (b.1837) apparently also went to Australia, but he is an absolute blank other than his birth in London and  Logan's possible find  http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13088866

Here's several more cuttings, one giving his origins as Germany and indicating he was not fully conversant with English, plus one has the trial in detail..

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18706219
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18699463
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1870268

I mention this because it seems to me that his given names would be Anglo so perhaps the chap in the newspapers was not Emily's brother .... 

NSW State Records do have Gaol Records in their archives, including Gaol Photographs, and full descriptions etc.  http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/gaol-records/index-to-the-gaol-photographs.  I don't know for certain, but I think (from memory) in the 1860's that chap would have been serving time in Darlinghurst... 


Cheers,  JM

Thanks JM.  The Sievers family were Dutch/German and it was either Emily's grandparents or parents that came over.  (I've no access to my tree at the moment as am on different laptop and I can't remember which way it was) but John Nicholas was definitely London born.  I think its some of Emily's aunts and uncles that were born in Germany.

I'll check out Darlinghurst if only to discount him.

Thanks again   :)
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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 19 September 10 18:56 BST (UK) »

Fransisca b. 1852


This will be her christening & death:

THICKNESS Framcissa T C - Christening; 1852         
Father:   Samuel J T
Mother:   Emily S
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18523199 38A   
Parish: Oakville; Whittingham; Wollombi, Church of England


THICKNESSE F T  Caroline - Death; 1854
Age at Death: INFANT
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18541848 41A   
Parish: Black Creek, Bulwarra; Clifden; Hinton; Morpeth; Maitland; Hunter., Church of England

Brilliant - thanks!  now need to find out what the T stands for  ;)
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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 19 September 10 23:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Ruth,

Quote
Brilliant - thanks!  now need to find out what the T stands for

The 4 children's baptisms are on http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

Francina Teresa Caroline Thickness  ;)

Full names and birth dates  

Interesting to note Samuel lists as a master mariner on the certs on the MOULD Book site.

I note Emily and Augusta arriving in Melbourne as unassisted immigrants 1858

THICKNESSE Emily 27 and Augusta 4

and also not in 1859 SL THICKNESS aged 40 and Augusta aged 9 travelled from Melbourne to Newcastle and in 1860 Mrs THICKNESS aged 40 John 11 and Gustave 10 are listed from Melbourne to Newcastle.

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=42

A Samuel THICKNESS  aboard the barge MARY ANN in 1833

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1825-1832.htm

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Re: Samuel James Theodore THICKNESS & Emily Sarah Euphemia SIEVERS
« Reply #17 on: Monday 20 September 10 00:57 BST (UK) »
a sibling was baptised at the same time as Samuel

THICKNESSE Margaret Susan 7 Jul 1819 Plymouth St Budeaux (Sorry I just noticed I somehow did not include mothers middle name in the baptism entry. She was Sarah Augusta.) She was buried 16 Apr 1821 St Budeaux aged 1 year and 11 months (noted as born 24 May 1819)

There was also an earlier baptism just over the border in Callington Cornwall (quite common with Naval men based in Plymouth)

Frances Augusta Ann THICKNESSE baptised 23 Jun 1811 Callington.

John THICKNESSE = Sarah Augusta FRASER 14 May 1800 St Andrew Plymouth.

I note the parents are in Bath Walcot Somerset by 1841

HO107/970/0 Folio 31 page 8
Queens Square
Bath Walcot


THICKNESSE John 65 Y Navy H P
THICKNESSE Sarah 60 N

Frances Augusta Anne THICKNESSE John William RICHARDS a college clerk from Oxford by licence 22 Jun 1836 Walcot

John died in Sep 1846 Bath 11 17
Sarah died in Sep 1863 Bath 5c 384

1861 Sarah A THICKNESSE is a lodger in the home of John SHERWOOD lodgiung house keeper in 1861. She is aged 80 born "unknown" Annuitant Naval captains widow. RG9/1693 Folio 26 Page10. Not spotting her in 1851

Documents Online is down at the moment but I see John left a will   

John THICKNESSE Commander in Her Majesty's Royal Navy Bath , Somerset   Online Document PROB 11/2041

also a lease in Callington

http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/DServe/searchpage.htm

Cheers Kris  :)
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