Frederick Allen b Bradford on Avon 1835 ish

[Lime tree]

Frederick Allen was born between April 1835 and March 1836 in Bradford on Avon according to the 1871 Census for 74 Mare Street, Hackney. His parents may have been John and Eliza (nee Farmilo) Allen, married at Holy Trinity, Bradford on 3 Jul 1834. He appears in the 1851 (Bethnal Green), 1871 (Hackney) 1881 (Hackney) and 1891 (Great Yarmouth) Censuses but I can't find him in 1861 or after 1891. He married Elizabeth Esther Speaight at St James The Great, Bethnal Green on 28 May 1855. She died aged 37 on 5 Dec 1874.  After she died, he married Mary Ann Button in June 1876. My grand-mother said they moved around the country and mentioned that they lived at Clapham Common and Fairseat Manor (near Wrotham, Kent). I am interested to know:
1. Any details on his ancestry
2. Where he was in 1861
3. What happened to him after 1891

[Eyesee]

Lime Tree

Welcome to Rootschat

His marriage cert to Elizabeth Esther gives his father as John ALLEN, deceased. When he married Mary BUTTON his father is also John ALLEN, who is now a gentleman

1901 - RG13/1812/35/28
51 Wellesley Road, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Frederick ALLEN, head mar 65, Retired wine merchant, born Wilts, Bradford
Mary Ann C ALLEN, wife mar 50, born London, Bishopsgate
Lilian S ALLEN, dau s 20, born London, Stoke Newington
Edith J ALLEN, dau 15, born ditto
Daisy F ALLEN, dau 13, born ditto
+ 2 servants

1861 - RG9/793/70/17
George & ??, High Road, Tottenham
Frederick ALLEN, head mar 25, Licensed victualler, born Wiltshire, Bradford
Elizabeth ALLEN, wife mar 24, born Middlesex, Bethnal Green
Frederick C ALLEN, son 4, Scholar, born ditto
Elizabeth A ALLEN, dau 2, born ditto
Sarah S SPEAIGHT, sister in law s 21, Barmaid, born ditto
George C BUSBY, visitor unm 20, Law stationers app, born Surrey, Horsley Down
+ a servant

Ian C

[Lime tree]

Ian

Thanks

Robin

[Eyesee]

In 1841 he would appear to be in Bradford, in a household with
Eliza ALLEN, 24, Weaver
Frederick ALLEN, 4
James ALLEN, 3
Phillip FARMELO, 19, Plasterer
William PARADIZY??, 20, Baker
All born in county

IGI has John ALLEN and Eliza FARMELO marrying in 1834 as you said.

In 1851 Frederick is with his brother James, mother Eliza and stepfather Samuel ARNO, in Bethnal Green.

St Leonard Shoreditch
1845 Sep 22
Samuel ARNO, Full, Bachelor, Weaver, Brick Lane, father Thomas Arno, Weaver
Eliza ALLEN, Full, Widow, Weaveress, Brick Lane, father Philip Farmelo, Plasterer
He signed, she made her mark
In presence of George Richardson, Sarah Jull

Ian C

[Lime tree]

Ian

Do you have Allen ancestors? I ask because my aunt told me that one of her great aunts, Emmie, retired with her husband (Harry but don't know surname) to NZ. What she wrote is fascinating, especially on their eccentricity.

Robin

[blonde399]

Hello Lime Tree

Just wanted to say very many thanks for posting the photo of Frederick Allen. It's the first time we have come across one for this particular great great grandfather and he looks a bit like living family members! If you have any others of the family, please let me know.

I imagine by now you will have Frederick's date of death - my records have it as 7th October 1911 in Great Yarmouth.

Shortly before then, Frederick and Marian are in the 1911 census living at 3 Norfolk Square in Great Yarmouth with daughters Edith and Daisy

Best wishes

R

[Lime tree]

Hi

I am currently on holiday in New Zealand but when I get back at the beginning of March I'll tell you all I know about Frederick Allen (not, by all accounts I nice man). Drop me an email to * so we can exchange what we know outside rootschat
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[pawcards]

I am also researching Frederick Allen and would be very interested in hearing about this man. I have his basic bmd & census details but am intrigued by the comment that he was not a nice man.

Regards,

pawcards

[Lime tree]

He was my maternal great-grandfather. My aunt, Phyllis Parkinson (nee Garrett), said of him "Frederick Allen had a violent temper and his children were afraid of him; his first wife's children were denied everything, even their mother's jewellery was given to their half-sisters. Nevertheless, my mother, Louise, had strong relationships with her half sisters. She (Phyllis) did not know why the Allen family were so eccentric but wondered whether it was the result of Frederick Allen's Victorian repression or the unsettled background of litigation in which he was always indulging.  Apparently all his children were afraid of him and his violent temper - he used to throw his dinner across the room if it was served on a cracked plate".

I have attached my aunt's document on the Allens and also a photo of Frederick Allen.

I'd be interested in anything you turn up on Frederick - perhaps you'll find he wasn't as bad as my aunt painted him!