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Banns before marriage
« on: Sunday 10 October 10 11:20 BST (UK) »
Hello;

What's the time limit between reading the last of 3 banns and then getting married ?.  I have banns dated 29/9/1805 & the marriage taking place 20/11/1806 - perhaps that's far too long; but what if that's been mis-transcribed and banns are in fact 29/9/1806

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Re: Banns before marriage
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 October 10 11:42 BST (UK) »
I think it very likely that the year has been mistranscribed.  I don't know what the time limit is though, just that the banns have to be read 3 times beforehand.  Which parish are we talking about and were bride and groom both living in it at the time of the marriage?
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Barnes, Dunt, Gray, Massingham in Norfolk
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Re: Banns before marriage
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 October 10 11:52 BST (UK) »
I think it was 3 months.

Did the banns and the marriage take place at the same church?
 I have instances where banns were read in one church and the marriage took place in another. Probably banns read in both parishes if the couple were both from different parishes.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Banns before marriage
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 October 10 12:03 BST (UK) »
Current CofE website states that

You must have your banns read out in church for three Sundays during the three months before the wedding. This is often done over three consecutive Sundays but does not have to be.

My understanding is that the banns have to be read in all parishes involved, so could be 3 if bride & groom live in different parishes and get married in a 3rd

I don't think things have changed much for a long time

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Re: Banns before marriage
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 October 10 13:41 BST (UK) »
Hello;  Thanks for the replies.

The Banns I found were in Bedford St Pauls while wedding took place in Biddenham, about 1 mile out of town. I expect I could take a look at the Biddenham banns to see if they tally.  It's odd that the banns says the man is a widower while the marriage does not, although it does not say he's a bachelor either.
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Re: Banns before marriage
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 October 10 13:55 BST (UK) »
1823 Marriage Act 4 Geo. 4, c.76. s.9.
Whenever a marriage shall not be had within three months after the complete publication of banns, no minister shall proceed to the solemnization of the same until the banns shall have been re-published on three several Sundays, in the form and manner prescribed by the Act regulating banns, unless by licence duly obtained.
 It may be presumed that calendar months are meant.


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Re: Banns before marriage
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 October 10 14:50 BST (UK) »
It could be they had banns called in that parish but didn't marry in the 3 month period, maybe they never got round to it and had to renew the banns in 1806.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Banns before marriage
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 October 10 15:57 BST (UK) »
I think it could depend on the flexibility of the individual clergyman.  My 3x great grandparents John Bushell and Hannah Rudd had their banns called in July in Hockering, Norfolk, but didn't marry for 2 years, 7 months before the birth of their second child (assuming the first child was John's - she was born 4 months BEFORE the banns).
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Kirton in Durham
Donaldson, Hunter, Mckenzie in Clackmannanshire/Stirling
Watson in Renfrewshire

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Re: Banns before marriage
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 October 10 16:00 BST (UK) »
I was in Hockering yesterday. We drove through on the way to Sandringham.

I have a couple who wed in 1832 in Hackney after banns but had their banns called in 1830 in Whitechapel.

I have a widower and a widow who had banns called in 1834 but I cannot find a marriage yet. I do know of people who have also had experiences with this.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain