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ancestry info Murray from Barvas
« on: Sunday 10 October 10 20:47 BST (UK) »
Hi, I am researching the family John Murray and Christina Murray married on  22 January, 1874, some of their children were John born 18 July, 1881(my husbands Grandfather); Kenneth born 7 July, 1875; William born 23 June 1879; and Finlay born 5 October, 1890. I found a death notice of a Finlay Murray in 1970 aged 79 years and was wondering if anyone knows of this family and if it was in fact the Finlay born on 5 October, 1890.
They lived at 52 Lower Barvas .
Also the census 1901 shows another list of children of John and Christy Murray at 52 Lower Barvas as  Donald, Catherine, Neil, Finlay, Christy Mary and Ann . Wondering if they could be part of the same family mentioned above !?
My husband John Murray is the grandson of the above John Murray born 18 July, 1881  and lives in South Africa.
Does anyone know this family.
regards, Patricia Murray.
South Africa.


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Re: ancestry info Murray from Barvas
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 October 10 22:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Patricia

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Looking at the 1901 census entry, certainly looks like the family has grown to include more children.
 
Where was the death/notice you found for a Finlay Murray? I found this on http://lewis-canada.blogspot.com/2010/05/murray.html  Looks like at least Finlay and brother Neil may have headed off to Canada and enlisted there in WW1:

Finlay Murray
Date of birth: 11 October 1890
Place of birth: Isle of Lewis
Height: 6 ft 1¾ in in
Complexion: Dark
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Black
Religion: Presbyterian
Last address in Lewis: 52 Lower Barvas

Not married
Next of kin: John Murray, Father, of 52 L Barvas

Military unit: 51st Canadians
Service number: 4037704
Volunteered at Edmonton on 21 August 1915


Also, brother Neil:

Private Neil Murray
Date of birth: 16 March 1886
Place of birth: Isle of Lewis
Height: 5 ft 9¾ in in
Complexion: Medium
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Black
Religion: Presbyterian
Trade / occupation: Carpenter
Last address in Lewis: 52 Lower Barvas

Not married
Next of kin: John Murray, Father, of 52 Lower Barvas

Military unit: 8th Canadian Infantry (Manitoba Regiment), Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry
Service number: 578
Volunteered at Ottawa on 20 August 1914

Date of death: 26 September 1916  at the age of 30
Cause of death: Killed in action in France
Memorial: Vimy Memorial

For Neil, see also www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=1572292

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Re: ancestry info Murray from Barvas
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 October 10 22:42 BST (UK) »
Finlay arrived via New York on 1 Apr 1912 on the Caledonia. Must have made his way from there through to Canada. He shows as going to a friend, D. L. Murray. Father John was given as next of kin back in Barvas.

A possible entry into Quebec Canada on 10 May 1910 on the 'Cassandra' by Neil Murray.

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Re: ancestry info Murray from Barvas
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 October 10 22:53 BST (UK) »
More that one of the Murray boys look to have headed off to Canada  :) I think this may be brother Kenneth and family on the 1911 Canadian census in Edmonton, Alberta, with Neil in the household:

Kenneth Murray 32, inspector, b. Scotland - arrival to Canada shows as 1901
Mannie Murray 31, wife b. Nova Scotia
Wm J Murray 2, son b. Alberta
Neil Murray 23, lodger, labourer, b. Scotland - arrival to Canada shows as 1910
Wills J Adson 29, lodger
Aggie Adson 32, lodger

There is a shipping manifest entry for a Kenneth Murray arriving in Quebec on 2 Jul 1899 on the 'Pomeranian'. There is also on the line above, a William Murray aged 40 travelling to the same destination. So, maybe Kenneth was not Neil's brother but a relative/friend?

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Re: ancestry info Murray from Barvas
« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 October 10 18:09 BST (UK) »
Hi, thank you so much for that information, i did not realise that some of them had gone to Canada, so this opens a whole new area of research.
regards Patricia. :)

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Re: ancestry info Murray from Barvas
« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 October 10 18:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,  could you tell me where you find the ships and travel records. I am fairly new to this research stuff and it takes me ages to find places to look.
You have found such a lot, thank you so much.
patricia.
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Re: ancestry info Murray from Barvas
« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 October 10 19:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Patricia

The shipping manifest details and Canadian census info came from Ancestry.com. You need a subscription to Ancestry to be able access this information. If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry, you can check your local library as some main libraries can have Ancestry Library editions that you could use perhaps.

Monica  :)
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Re: ancestry info Murray from Barvas
« Reply #7 on: Monday 11 October 10 20:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Patricia

I only usually try and help with Barrhead queries (Renfrewshire) but here goes - although I don't know if it will help.

From Scotlands People there is a birth of a John Murray on 18th July 1881 at Lower Barvas to a John Murray, crofter and a Christina Murray, maiden name McLean. Their marriage date is listed as 22nd January 1874.
Birth registered by Christina Murray (her mark). I have just emailed you the file.

There is a Finlay Murray born 5th October 1890 to the same parents, also from SP.

So they are definitely brothers - whether it is your John Murray - I don't know!

I did access another John Murray in 1881 for Barvas - but different parents. He was born 12th February to a Murdo Murray, fisherman and Mary Murray, maiden name Murray.

Good Luck
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Re: ancestry info Murray from Barvas
« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 October 10 20:25 BST (UK) »
Just me again - the Finlay Murray posted by Monica has his birth date as 11th October 1890,
The original record from Scotlands People has his birth date as 5th October 1890 but the day his birth was registered as the 11th October 1890.

Also on the Church of the Latter Day Saints site some one has loaded information about John Murray, who married Christina Mclean - that his parents were William Murray and Catherine Matheson - I haven't accessed the record on SP, so can't confirm. But there are a few children for William and Catherine, including a Donald in 1845;finlay in 1867;william in 1856;catherine in 1862;margaret in 1856; and a john in 1845.

It may be worth a look

Cheers
Murphyz