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Re: An unusual story .... can someone please help
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 October 10 10:14 BST (UK) »
There is a naturalisation record on the National Archives site - but it is closed for 100 years, so 16 to go!!  Probably not yours as he is Polish and has a daughter.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=5111823&CATLN=6&accessmethod=5

When did he travel to SA?  You say shortly after the death, so that would narrow down the dates a lot!

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: An unusual story .... can someone please help
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 October 10 10:20 BST (UK) »
There is a naturalisation record on the National Archives site - but it is closed for 100 years, so 16 to go!!  Probably not yours as he is Polish and has a daughter.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=5111823&CATLN=6&accessmethod=5

When did he travel to SA?  You say shortly after the death, so that would narrow down the dates a lot!



Is that the one from 1926 - it also seems to mention a child which wouldn't be the case if he was born 1914  :-\
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Re: An unusual story .... can someone please help
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 16 October 10 10:22 BST (UK) »
Yes - as I say, not likely to be the right one if the birth date is correct, but given that the OP seems to have so few details I thought I would mention it.  Also the fact that seems to be the only one!

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: An unusual story .... can someone please help
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 October 10 10:26 BST (UK) »
Yes  - there was one in Glasgow but that was 1913  :-\

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Is this a family story? As has been said- when did he arrive in SA - that may help but it is looking very difficult. Had he changed his name then that is even more difficult.
What was his occupation on his passport?
I can't think now .. but did passports indicate which office they were issued at- in terms of regions of UK?
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Re: An unusual story .... can someone please help
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 16 October 10 11:03 BST (UK) »
I dont know when he arrived in south africa but he married my mother Lilly Segill in 1950 in Johanneburg. He was noted as a widower when he married my mother in 1950.

That is all the information I have as I only found out a few months back that he died 29 years ago. I so desperately want to find out who he was and where he came from.

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Re: An unusual story .... can someone please help
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 16 October 10 11:15 BST (UK) »
A search of passenger lists to South Africa (Find my past)  brings up the following male passengers:

SHAPERA I. born 1905 departs Southampton to Cape 1929
SHAPIRO (no initial) born 1894 departs Southampton to Cape 1929

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Re: An unusual story .... can someone please help
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 16 October 10 11:17 BST (UK) »
This is where your post on the SA board should come in handy - we need help from some experts on things like the contents of death certs in SA and naturalisation records - maybe he told more on the latter?  Also the shipping records - to see whether he travelled alone.  Also his occupation might help pin him down in the UK.

I have added a link to this thread on the South Africa thread.

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p.s. red message - Rafter just posted some likely shipping records!

(incidentally - why did you give 1929 as the earliest date for the marriage?)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: An unusual story .... can someone please help
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 16 October 10 11:20 BST (UK) »
I dont know when he arrived in south africa but he married my mother Lilly Segill in 1950 in Johanneburg. He was noted as a widower when he married my mother in 1950.
That is all the information I have as I only found out a few months back that he died 29 years ago. I so desperately want to find out who he was and where he came from.
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I'm sorry it's all questions.
If this is all the info you have where does the story come from re the bride's death -- as that is what is guiding our searches.
Could his first marriage have been  first in SA?
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Re: An unusual story .... can someone please help
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 16 October 10 11:41 BST (UK) »
Hello Arronroots Isaac Shapiro was my father and before he died he told me the story of his Uk bride. On my mothers death certificate it states he was a widower when he married her. I only found out  a few months back that my father died in 1981 all alone in Australia. I didnt know him all that well and am trying to find out who he was and as much as I can about his life. His first marriage was definitely in the UK. I remember as a child he travelled on a British Passport so he must have been a british citizen. Is there a way to get information about his citizenship in the Uk and passport. info.