Missing connection to Bouch family

[esdel]

When I was 7 my mother (Elsie Marshall) said
"We are related to Sir Thomas Bouch
and your gt gt grandfather was captain of sailing ships"
The captain bit is true - indeed the Bouch has ship ownership interests with Sproule.
But NEVER have I found the Marchall- Bouch connection.
Sir Thomas's direct descendants are few, and the time too short, so I think "related" is the correct word, not descended from.

Sir Thomas b 22 Feb 1822 at Thursby, died 1880 at Moffat
Parents William and Elizabeth Sanderson
Wife Margaret Ferrie Nelson

Grandparents Richard Bouch & Mary Barwise, Robert Sanderson & Ann Simpson

Can you help me find any connection from them to the
Marshall
Rochester
Turnbull
Ramsey
Newby
Dawson
Hudson
Robson
families?

Many thanks

[jeffbubble]

This Seafaring Family nearly had me on Prozac!
There were three in the family named Lancelot Bouch.

The Elder who appeared to have originated from Clifton? Died 28th Sept 1830.
Then there was Captain L Bouch Master of the Westmoreland out of Whitehaven, he then owned/sailed The Aimwell, Ardent and Grecian. Owned about 200 Acres at Clifton, built Bellevue at Distington.
Daughter - Elizabeth Bouch Spinster and Sister Mary Ann Died 15th April 1911. Lived in Elizabeth St Workington. Servants and left £6,000.

Sorry its a bit scrappy just bits on scribbled paper when I did the history of the house.

Jeff

[esdel]

Oh Jeff I know exactly what you mean!
But the info you have found is GREAT.

Yes 6 Lancelot Bouch and hundreds of John.
I have to take a rest every half hour.Scrappy? - you should see my notes!

Nearly all you have found is NEW:-
<<The Elder who appeared to have originated from Clifton? Died 28th Sept 1830.
Then there was Captain L Bouch Master of the Westmoreland out of Whitehaven, he then owned/sailed The Aimwell, Ardent and Grecian. Owned about 200 Acres at Clifton, built Bellevue at Distington.
Daughter - Elizabeth Bouch Spinster and Sister Mary Ann Died 15th April 1911. Lived in Elizabeth St Workington. Servants and left £6,000.

This is all great stuff and I have the framework we can attach it to.
The Bouch family are heavily involved in shipping - the father of Sir Thomas Bouch (William b abt 1779) being a sea captain and William Bouch (Sir Thomas's brother) marrying Jane Sproule of the brokerage and ship owning family.
They made vast wealth trading on their own account with US and Australia and maybe with the East India Company.
I have some of the ships if you are interested - but I expect you are just helping me (which I appreciate very much!)

I suspect your 3 Lancelot may be the link between the family branches.
But my Lancelot are much earlier:-
L B b 1777 chr 2 Feb Brigham Cumberland
son of
L B b 1750
and brother of William B chr 6 Mar Brigham

The other two L B I know a bit more about:-
L B b 1735 married Ann Stamper; their children:
Robert B 1785 died 1800
John B 1774 + Mary Hey had daughter
Hannah Bouch chr 10 Apr 1800 Thursby

LB 1720 + Alice Pot (married 1744 Bromfield)
son Robert 1751 chr Dec ST Bees
William 1749 chr 11 Nov St Bees Cumberland
Catherine 1748 chr Apr Bromfield

Your Mary Ann and Elizabeth B, sisters, I may be able to locate if you know their Birth dates

Many thanks for helping
esdel

AH! here is summat interesting:-
Lancelot B married Mary Hewson 19 Jul 1688
at Bromfield
They had
(1) son Thomas B who married Mary Brewhouse on  24 May 1689 at Bromfield and had dau Rebekkah chr 23 Aug 1721 All Hallows who married there 5 June 1741
(2) Jane B who married George Henry in
March 1716 at St Cuthberts Carlisle
(3) Lancelot B chr 2 Feb 1695 Bromfield
who married Mary Chambers 24 Mar 1725 sons Thomas 1731
Joseph 1737
John 1726
dau Anne 1734
Mary 1728


So no doubt the went on producing Lancelots until linking with your lot!javascript:replaceText('%20;D',%20document.postmodify.message);javascript:replaceText('%20;D',%20document.postmodify.message);

[jeffbubble]

Good, Just found

LB Married Ann Stamper 1773 St Michaels Workington.

LB Married Sarah? 1802 Holy Trinity Whitehaven

LB Married Elizabeth? 1830 St Michaels Workington

LB Bapt 1834 St Michaels Workington Died March 7th 1877.

Who hides my notes??

[esdel]

Great - Glad I haven't put you off!

I am starting a big Excel chart - colour coded to show which Bouch/Sproule we KNOW are connected to which
See ya in a few years!javascript:replaceText('%20:',%20document.postmodify.message);
esdel

[esdel]

Jeff,

I was not allowed to send the chart (wrong format) so I have sent you a PM
edel

[Mclou]

I am seeking information about the capture of the Ardent, Captain Bouch, in the Mississippi River in May,  1811 for the violation of the U.S. Non Intercourse act. The vessel was sold at auction in New Orleans after a court trial. I am writing a book that mentions this incident. Any personal information on Captain Bouch and the loss of the vessel would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

[esdel]

Sorry, I have no more information beyond what is above.
The Bouch and Sproule families intermarried and were ship owners and Captains for several generations
The second endest of the Lancelot Bouch mentioned above did own/sail the Ardent, among other ships.
Any info you can find would be very welcome here!

A good source of info is the newspapers of the time - especially ports of arrival such as in Australia, but these usually say just "Captain Bouch"

[jeffbubble]

Elizabeth and her sister are buried at Clifton, have a photo of stone will try to find.

In the Whitehaven Record office there are leather bound ship details, date of launch. owners etc, some have details of the demise pinned to the back of these documents - these volumes are known as TR3s.