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Offline EstherFawke

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Re: Henry Cartwright
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 18 April 15 21:06 BST (UK) »
Hi

Being local to the risca area I know that Henry Cartwright and his son Herbert both died in 1878 in the prince of Wales colliery disaster. This is recorded in the register published of deaths. If you want more info let me know.

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Re: Henry Cartwright
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 19 April 15 08:57 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

Looking again at the records, I have pinned down three Henry Cartwrights born at the right time in Herefordshire. These are:
1. Thomas Henry Cartwright, bap. August 1835 Leominster, son of John and Mary Ann Leominster. He became a watchmaker. He is listed in 1851 in Leominster with his parents; in 1861 with his wife Elizabeth in Cirencester, in 1871 in St Peter's, Hereford; in 1881 in Horninglow, Staffordshire with wife Elizabeth. Then he turns up again in 1901 in prison, in Princetown, Devon (he is listed as being single, but his profession confirms this is the same as above).
2. Henry Cartwright, bap. April 1834 Leominster, son of Harry and Jane Cartwright.
3. Henry Alexander Cartwright, bap. 1836 Kington, son of Alexander and Elizabeth Cartwright.

The coal miner from Herefordshire who relocated to Wales appears in the 1851 census with the Davies family, accompanied by another lodger called William Cartwright, who is 8. This is consistent with what I have found about Henry Alexander's family, who had a younger brother called Philip William Cartwright (b.1843), who died aged 12 in Pontypool reg. district.

Henry [Alexander] Cartwright then married Martha Gauntlett in 1861 and seemingly died in the late 1870's in the mining disaster mentioned by EstherFawke.

EstherFawke, could you provide further information about this event? If what I say above is correct then Henry and his son Herbert are my distant relatives and the one Jaz was looking for in the first post of the thread :)

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Herefordshire: ALLEN (Colwall), CARTWRIGHT (Kington & Almeley), DAVIS (Colwall), EVANS (Pembridge), GODSALL (Colwall), JONES (Whitbourne), MORRIS (Kington & Kinnersley), MOUND (Wormsley), TIPPINS (Staunton-on-Arrow), RODWAY (Colwall), VICKRESS (Wellington & Hope-under-Dinmore), WATKINS (Almeley)
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Re: Henry Cartwright
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 19 April 15 20:15 BST (UK) »
There is a newspaper article on the Welsh Newspapers site, about the Abercarne colliery disaster, naming a Henry Cartwright and his son Herbert as possibly killed and still in the Mine at the time, is this your man, if so this link will be handy.  http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3440373/ART140/%20Cartwright
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Re: Henry Cartwright
« Reply #12 on: Monday 20 April 15 15:18 BST (UK) »

Henry Alexander Cartwright, bap. 1836 Kington, son of Alexander and Elizabeth Cartwright.

The coal miner from Herefordshire who relocated to Wales appears in the 1851 census with the Davies family, accompanied by another lodger called William Cartwright, who is 8.
This is consistent with what I have found about Henry Alexander's family, who had a younger brother called Philip William Cartwright (b.1843), who died aged 12 in Pontypool reg. district.

Henry [Alexander] Cartwright then married Martha Gauntlett in 1861 and seemingly died in the late 1870's in the mining disaster mentioned by EstherFawke.


Perhaps Jaz has the 1861 marriage certificate for Henry Cartwright & Martha Gauntlett
and can confirm if his father is named Alexander


You probably already have this info. but just in case..... from family search

Henry ALEXANDER 10 Jul 1836 Kington p Alexander & Elizabeth Cartwright
Siblings Thomas Patteshall Pugh 1839 Trevethin d 1845 Pontypool, Philip William 1843

Marriage 1835 Kington Hereford
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK8V-KF2
Alexander CARTWRIGHT to Elizabeth PUGH

Ch. 1792 Kington Hereford
Alexander Cartwright p Montillion & Sarah
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSPD-2ZP
siblings Thomas Philip 1795, Montillion 1805

there’s this marriage but can’t say if it’s Montillion

Mantilian Cartwright to Sarah Watkins 6 Jun 1772 Almeley Hereford
there are baptisms in Almely with parents named Mantilian Cartwright & Sarah
see family search

newspaper article on the Welsh Newspapers site, about the Abercarne colliery disaster, naming a Henry Cartwright and his son Herbert as possibly killed and still in the Mine at the time

Henry Cartwright and son Herbert, no wife, but two children
 - I would assume that these two children would be Henry & Martha's daughters Ada & Laura

Possible Death entries FreeBMD

Mar qtr 1879 Newport M
Herbert William Cartwright age 16 (1863)

Mar qtr 1879 Newport M
Henry Cartwright age 43 (1836)
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Re: Henry Cartwright
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 25 April 15 20:34 BST (UK) »
Spot on Ladyhawk!

Now, I wonder what became of Henry's two surviving daughters, Ada and Laura. Time to do some more digging...

Best wishes :)
Herefordshire: ALLEN (Colwall), CARTWRIGHT (Kington & Almeley), DAVIS (Colwall), EVANS (Pembridge), GODSALL (Colwall), JONES (Whitbourne), MORRIS (Kington & Kinnersley), MOUND (Wormsley), TIPPINS (Staunton-on-Arrow), RODWAY (Colwall), VICKRESS (Wellington & Hope-under-Dinmore), WATKINS (Almeley)
Shropshire: MOUND (Hope Bagot)
Worcestershire: PARKER (Kempsey)

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Re: Henry Cartwright
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 26 April 15 10:40 BST (UK) »

Now, I wonder what became of Henry's two surviving daughters, Ada and Laura.

Time to do some more digging...


This might be Ada

1901 census Glamorganshire (Pontypridd)
George & Ada Turner 1865 Abersychan Monmouthshire

1891 census Momouthshire
George & Ada Turner born c 1865 Monmouth

a marriage

Oct 1886 Pontypool Vol 11a page 192 (FreeBMD)
Ada Cartwright
Male names
George Clark & George Turner

1881 census gives Ada's pob as Abersychan Monmouthshire (see reply No. 5)


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Re: Henry Cartwright
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 26 April 15 11:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Ladyhawk,
Thank you Ladyhawk, I was just going to pm cimbrio on Ada and family,
Jaz

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Re: Henry Cartwright
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 26 April 15 11:29 BST (UK) »

Thank you Ladyhawk, I was just going to pm cimbrio on Ada and family,


Hi Jaz  was going to post this also

Death entry
Jun 1901 Pontypridd
Ada Turner age 36 (1865)

I was wondering if this was Laura - did she have any middle names?

there's this marriage

Newport M Sep 1885
Laura May M CARTWRIGHT
Male names on same page
Jesse Stephens
William Harley

1891 census Monmouthshire
Jesse & Laura M Stephens born c 1867 Monmouthshire

Death entry Dec 1927 Newport M

Laura M Stephens age 60 (1867)





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Re: Henry Cartwright
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 26 April 15 11:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Ladyhawk,
I just  found that also on the 1891c with them is a n Elizabeth Cartwright age 89yrs down as Grand mother so it looks a good possibility it is our laura Cartwright,
Jaz