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What does "ystym" mean in a burial entry
« on: Tuesday 09 November 10 12:55 GMT (UK) »
I'm transcribing some parish burial records from Llanpumpsaint and I keep coming across the word "ystym" as in
"Thamar the daughter of Evan Lewis in ystym ...William Morgan"
Does it mean something like ..of this village ? or is it a place name ?

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Re: What does "ystym" mean in a burial entry
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 November 10 00:28 GMT (UK) »
It sounds as if you have several examples; could you quote more of them? 'Ystym' (ystum by now) means a bend or turn; it could refer to a bend in a river, and could be followed by the river's name to give a place-name.
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Re: What does "ystym" mean in a burial entry
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 November 10 00:43 GMT (UK) »
Hello  :)

Pinot is correct in saying it's bend in a river (or lake). There are some useful placename derivations on this site:

http://www.someplacenamesinsouthwales.4t.com/index.html

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Re: What does "ystym" mean in a burial entry
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 11 November 10 00:05 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the very interesting link; dericj has worked hard to produce a useful site.
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Re: What does "ystym" mean in a burial entry
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 11 November 10 12:40 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to all for the comments. I attach a picture of a section of the original records showing a couple of instances of ystym as it occurs.

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Re: What does "ystym" mean in a burial entry
« Reply #5 on: Friday 12 November 10 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Intriguing . . . I suspect it might be the name of a hamlet (abbreviated for the record) which may have disappeared to all intents and purposes by today; have you tried looking for it on census returns?
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Re: What does "ystym" mean in a burial entry
« Reply #6 on: Friday 12 November 10 10:36 GMT (UK) »
how about Ystumgwili? There's a reference on Genuki to Nebo Independent, Ystumgwili, Penyrheol but I'm not finding other info as yet.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanpumsaint/#ChurchRecords

http://llanpumsaint.org.uk/village/nebo-chapel
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: What does "ystym" mean in a burial entry
« Reply #7 on: Friday 12 November 10 11:45 GMT (UK) »
Interesting - I've looked further into the records and found an ystym gwilly reference (attached) as well as refernces to Abergwilly, Glangwilly and Llangwilly.

Incidentally - some records say buried but others say "sepault." What's the difference?

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Re: What does "ystym" mean in a burial entry
« Reply #8 on: Friday 12 November 10 12:03 GMT (UK) »
Is the handwriting the same for these entries? Sepult is an abbreviated form of the Latin for buried.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb