Needs Help! Llanelli area surname Thomas

[aussienl]

I am wondering if anyone out there can help me. We are trying to find any information over my Great grandfather Walter Thomas. He was born around 1865 we believe in Llanelli, died around 1950. He was married twice his second wife was Mary Jane Oliver b c 1860
He had two children with Mary we think, one was William Edmund, my grandfather ( we think Walter's first wife may have had the surname Edmund) and his brother known as Glynn Thomas however Glynn may have been his middle name.
We know nothing about Walter as he never spoke of his parents the family rumour was that his parents divorced ( which was unspeakable at that time), but was that the reason?  However he also had some connection with Pembrey as my father and the rest of the family called him along the lines of grandfather from Pembrey.
Hoping someone can help out my father would especially like to crack this one!
Cheers!

[osprey]

do you have either of his marriage certificates to find father's name & occupation? His parents may have lived apart, but divorce is unlikely at that time - not affordable.

Possible from 1871 census?
13 Achddu, Llan, Pembrey RG10/5470 folio 14 pg 3
Walter Beynon head mar 55 tailor master b. Llangedeirne
Margaret wife 54 b. Llanegwad
John son 18 coal miner b. Pembrey
Margaret dau 14 b. Pembrey
David Thomas stepson 18 coal miner b. pembrey
Walter Thomas grandson 6 b. Llanelly
William Rees boarder 20 tailor journeyman b. Conwil Elvet

[osprey]

marriage reg
Walter Thomas june qtr 1893 Llanelly vol 11a pg 1314 with Mary Jane Oliver on the same page

1901 census 5 Upper Inkerman St, Llanelly RG13/5088 folio 142 pg 6
Walter Thomas head mar 36 tinwasher at tinworks
Mary Jane wife 36
David W son 12
Joseph son 11
Sarah dau 9
John Emlyn son 4
Oliver Glyn son 1
all born Llanelly

[aussienl]

Hi Osprey,
thanks for the information as of yet I dont have copies of his marriage certificates as I am still not 100% positive he was born in Llanelli ( most of my information is from family word of mouth) also I have been told that they didnt have to put a parents name on thier marriage certificates they could just do a line through that, which is why I am hoping to find him positively to get a birth certificate.
I too have found the Beynon link I also found another one I think in the 1891 census where Walter Beynon was living in Llanelli , with three grandchildren.
I wondered if one of the Beynon daughters could have been Walter mother, however the ages dont match.
Re reading your census, I have never seen David Thomas stepson before.?? Interesting.
Thanks for the information!
wow, I see you found the marriage thank you thank you!
however I dont see my Grandfather William Edmund Thomas who was born around June 1904 and I thought Walter worked in the steel works, ( he could have worked in the Tinworks as well ) I will have to check with my dad if he remembers Inkerman St. 

[osprey]

1891 15 marine St, Llanelly RG12/4493 folio 82 pg 3
Walter Thomas had amr 26 tin plate rollerman
Jane wife 27 b. Carmarthen
David W son 2
Joseph son 1
all born Llanelly except where noted

possible marriage
Walter Thomas march qtr 1888 Llanelly vol 11a pg 952 with Jane Lewis on the same page
death reg
Jane Thomas 28 dec qtr 1891 Llanelly vol 11a pg 744

Birth you queried in last post
William Edmund Thomas june qtr 1904 Llanelly vol 11a pg 1191

1881 has Walter with his grandfather Walter Beynon. RG11/5376 folio 85 pg 9.

[aussienl]

ok your amazing can I ask where you get all your information from? I spend hours searching and come up with empty hands...hahaha

[osprey]

bmds come from

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

census info is from Ancestry or Findmypast

The marriage cert would be worth a shot. Leaving a blank for a father's name   usually indicated illegitmacy rather than someone withholding info. It's not something you'd want to be admitting to in front of your new spouse.

Walter also looks to have been married twice as his wife on the 1851 is called Elizabeth.

Tanic, Llan, Pembrey HO107/2469 folio 35 pg 6
Walter Beynon head mar 34 tailor b. Llanelly
Elizabeth wife 39
Mary Thomas mother widow 79 pauper (wool carder)
Mary Beynon dau 11
Thomas son 8
Walter son 5
Sarah dau 2
all born Pembrey unless otherwise noted

marriage reg
Walter Beynon june qtr 1855 Llanelly vol 11a pg 774 with Margaret Thomas on the same page

So, 2 possible daughters, Mary & Sarah, that may have married a Thomas.

Possible birth reg
Walter Thomas march qtr 1865 Llanelly vol 11a pg 621
there's a Walter registered dec qtr 1864, but also a death in the same quarter.

[kob3203]

Hi Bron,
From the 1881 census (RG11/5376, folio 85 p9) at 28 Graig Capel, Pembrey:

Walter Beynon, 65, head (married), b. Llanelly, tailor master
Walter Thomas, 15, grandson, b. Llanelly, behinder in tinworks
Thomas Davies, 12, grandson, b.Pembrey, scholar
Mary Bowen, 6, granddaughter, b. Llanelly, scholar

Still no definite names for Walter Thomas parents, but it looks like you now (thanks to Osprey) have the leads you need to find them. Good luck!

Pete

P.S. Still intrigued whether it was your Walter THOMAS or our Walter WILLIAMS who was "...in the Boer war, he had something to do with the horses, I researched this and found a reference to a soldier ( I forget what he was officially called) who was injured when two horses with guns behind them crushed his leg...that was Walter"

[aussienl]

oh geesh Pete, dont go confusing me anymore..hahahah I thought it was the Williams who went off to all the wars and in the militia.......I have been searching for information for that too...I will double check which one it was when I speak to dad....probably quicker than me trying to search for that in my "records"...hahah