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Re: Radulfus Cutt son of Richard
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 06 March 11 19:22 GMT (UK) »
Hello All
 I have been doing a little delving and it would seems that YA Society Leeds has the Tax/Cover deeds Rolls and Wills for Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Notts that seem to hold a lot of the source info of pre 1600 info. These old Scrolls are Black with original dust over the centuries and are only brought out on one off look ups. There is some info in book form also books on legal matters - Old Doc's that go back pre 1066 also Queen Liz the first original stuff. This must be the source of the anc*stry website info I would think. Most written in old English or Latin. Then York Archives has a load.

Hope it helps

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Re: Radulfus Cutt son of Richard
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 10 August 17 02:12 BST (UK) »
resurrecting this one from the dead , I've recently got back to the Cutts after banging my head on other parts of my tree and started a new Bolsover Cutt tree to try and untangle everyone starting with the 1911 census and working back . George and Fanny are exercising my brain a bit because from what you're saying Bolsover Fanny isn't Frances Fox, but I'm having trouble with her being Fanny Mather as well (which is what people on the site that shall not be named seem to think) I've disentangled the 1841 census where George Junior is in the nick for the poaching incident and Mary's children George and Emma are listed as belonging to Fanny (can't be hers, she would have been 52 when the elder was born) but not knowing for sure which Fanny/Frances married George (D.1841) is messing stuff up somewhat. has anything come up since the last post that can shed a light on these annoying relatives of mine?
Cutt/Cutts -Derbyshire
Dean -Derbyshire
Kimpton/Kempton London, Yorkshire, Notts
Martin -Chesterfield/Nottingham
Martin -Co. Clare
Richardson -Whitwell
Johns - Mevagissey area

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Re: Radulfus Cutt son of Richard
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 10 August 17 08:31 BST (UK) »
Hello Jamila169  :)

Welcome to Rootchat website,

Its many years back this thread was posted , I had/have mind sett formulations of my own at the time (some have changed over the years), so not to contaminate your thinking, I've asked another member Claire to look at this thread with a fresh start, with fresh eyes, with you. (Claire is very good at ancestry with many years in research behind her along with other members)

Please help the new member,

Dobby
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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Radulfus Cutt son of Richard
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 10 August 17 16:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Jamila (and dobfarm)

Welcome to RootsChat :)

Will look into this for yourself and dobfarm. Not sure I can help but will try.

Have to work will be back later.

Claire
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Re: Radulfus Cutt son of Richard
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 10 August 17 20:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much Claire,  these people have been the bane of my life for years now, my Grandma told me everyone she knew about which went back to her great grandparents, but the pre 1840s Georges are a pain
Cutt/Cutts -Derbyshire
Dean -Derbyshire
Kimpton/Kempton London, Yorkshire, Notts
Martin -Chesterfield/Nottingham
Martin -Co. Clare
Richardson -Whitwell
Johns - Mevagissey area

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Re: Radulfus Cutt son of Richard
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 10 August 17 22:57 BST (UK) »
Hi

This is who I think Frances/Fanny Cutts from the 1851 census is:

When George Cutts married Fanny Mather 26 Dec 1809, she was from the parish of SHIRLAND where there is this baptism

Fanny Mather bapt. 9 April 1787 SHIRLAND, DERBY: Parents: George Mather & Ann

A transcript of the wedding can be found here on this link, the baptism is on FS and F M P.

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817ca68e93790eb7f94c322?search_id=598cd779791e3b10009345a6&ucf=false
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In the 1851 census we have Fanny Cutts born c1791/2 HEATH, Derbyshire.

At Heath, All Saints 1791 there is this baptism

FANNY FOX bapt. 19 May 1791 dau of Matthew & Elizabeth

There are no Mather baptisms 5 years either side of 1791 in the Heath PR's, so I would say that the lady in the 1851 census is Fanny/Frances Cutts nee FOX and married George Cutts in Scarcliffe 1810.

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Re: Radulfus Cutt son of Richard
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 10 August 17 23:36 BST (UK) »

1841 census in North Wingfield

George CUTTS      60 farmer
FANNEY    "          54
George                20
Bessey                15
Sophire               13
James                 11
Fanney                11
Sarah                   2                           All born in County

BURIAL IN NORTH WINGFIELD

Fanny Cutts age 63 ( birthyear 1786) 22 Sep 1849

Think possibly this is the George Cutts/Fanny Mather family.

POSSIBLE BURIAL

George Cutts 22 Aug 1849 age 72 (birthyear c1777)
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Re: Radulfus Cutt son of Richard
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 10 August 17 23:43 BST (UK) »

Can see two possible baptisms for George Cutts in North Wingfield if the burial above is the correct man

George CUT bapt. 5 Jan 1777 son of Aaron & Mary Cut.

George CUTT bapt. 11 Dec 1778 son of George & Mary
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Re: Radulfus Cutt son of Richard
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 10 August 17 23:46 BST (UK) »
That's what was nagging me about Mather, it wasn't solid enough because of the other possible one, I'll try chasing up the Fox connection and see if she's the one. I've found no connection yet with the N Wingfield ones , but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they're branches of the same family
Cutt/Cutts -Derbyshire
Dean -Derbyshire
Kimpton/Kempton London, Yorkshire, Notts
Martin -Chesterfield/Nottingham
Martin -Co. Clare
Richardson -Whitwell
Johns - Mevagissey area