Stella aka Dolly D'Orsay (later Pinto) 1891/1901

[Tati]

Marguerite was born in Paris, it seems, as well as Leopold. I don't know if Jeannette was French by birth or marriage.  

Anyway, I see banns in Paris:
Leopold Elios - Jeannette Langner
Nov 1880, 8e arrondissement

Bit of a long shot but it would match them being married 14 years on the 1895 census.

I'll see if I can find the details at the Paris archives site a little later if nobody has done it by then.

[rutht22000]

sounds even more interesting!

The Pinto family had Langner family connections.

I've already got a Jeanette Langner, born 1860, as a niece to a lady called Rosetta De Sola who married a Pinto in 1848. 

I wonder if she's the same woman?!   (and "my" Jeanette's brother's middle name was Berthold - same as this Jeanette's eldest son).   

[rutht22000]

Marguerite was born in Paris, it seems, as well as Leopold. I don't know if Jeannette was French by birth or marriage.  

Anyway, I see banns in Paris:
Leopold Elios - Jeannette Langner
Nov 1880, 8e arrondissement

Bit of a long shot but it would match them being married 14 years on the 1895 census.

I'll see if I can find the details at the Paris archives site a little later if nobody has done it by then.

Just had a look and it gives Jeanette's parents as Julius David Langner and Stella De Sola (Rosetta's sister)....so she is definitely the Langner that I already have. 

mind you if her husband was Leonard Elia(o)s - where does the Orsay bit come in?!

[Tati]

It's Leopold Elias on the actual marriage cert. Leopold Elias, employed in a bank, born 4 Jan 1857 in Paris, residing in Paris at his parents' home 185 faubourg St Honoré, son of Aron Elias and Fanny Levy
Jeannette Langner, born 15 July 1860 in London, minor daughter of Julius David Langner (hat manufacturer) and Stella de Sola.
Among the witnesses, Leopold's brother Lionel Elias and Jeannette's brother Berthold David Langner

No mention of d'Orsay

http://canadp-archivesenligne.paris.fr/archives_etat_civil/index.php
> select 'accéder aux registres d'actes', then:
Type d'acte: acte de mariage
Arrondissement: 8e
Date de l'acte: 30/11/1880
then hit 'rechercher'
click on visualiser and scroll to page 22

[davidqueneherve]

Hi,

Lambert Murray D'ORSEY and his wife Annette Grace are the parents of Donald Hathorn Murray D'ORSAY baptized in 1891 (05/MAR/1891 Christ Church, Folkestone, Kent, England)

In the 1901 census, they live in Hampstead, London

Lambert D'ORSEY, 55, clergyman (C. of England) schoolmaster, Scotland
Annette do, 4.. (43 ?), France (Brit Sub^t)
Donald do, 10, Middx Twickenham
...

Debretts peerage and titles of courtesy, 1888

Issue of the late  Rev. William  M’Douall, nephew of  5th Earl of Dumfries,   I2.
1775, d. 1849: m. 18-,   Euphemia,  dau.  of Louis Gardin,  Esq.——
....

Annette Grace, b 1858, m 1883 the Rev. Lambert Murray Dorsey Of Holy House Twickenham and has issue living, Gertrude Stella b 1884, Margaret Annette, b 1886

http://www.thepeerage.com/p2389.htm#i23883

Annette Grace HATHORN

http://www.thepeerage.com/p14718.htm#i147172

Born in Boulogne-sur-Mer (Pas de Calais)

http://www.thepeerage.com/p14718.htm#i147175

Her brother James Dalrymple HATHORN died in Boulogne-sur-Mer in 1861 at the age of 7 months (31/DEC/1861).

Fils de George HATHORN, contre-amiral en retraite, âgé de 58 ans, et de Mary Isabella MAC DOUALL, son épouse, âgée de 43 ans.

Declaration made by Hastings MAC DOUALL, uncle, 38, rentier, and Thomas NOAKLES.

[davidqueneherve]

Boulogne-sur-Mer 02/DEC/1857 birth record of Gertrude Campbell HATHORN, daughter of George HATHORN, contre amiral dans la marine royale anglaise, 56, and Mary Isabella MAC DOUALL, 40.

Nathaniel Hawthorne And His Wife:
https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=3849641058 - Traduire cette page
Julian Hawthorne - 2013 - ‎Aperçu - ‎Autres éditions
"I never heard of the English 'Admiral Hawthorne' you mention, living at Boulogne. In the Courtguide I find a Mr. George Hawthorne, winemerchant, Bristol,perhaps this gentleman's father. There are not a few who write themselves 'Hathorn,' ...

The Gentleman's Magazine - Volume 208 - Page 174
https://books.google.fr/books?id=32Q3AQAAMAAJ - Traduire cette page
1860 - ‎Extraits - ‎Autres éditions
At West Denton-house, Mrs. George Angus, a dau. Nov. 26. At Somerfordpark, Cheshire, the wife of Sir Chas. ... The wife of Rear-Admiral Hathorn, Boulogne-sur-Mer, a dau. At her mother's residence, Cumberland-st, Hyde-park, the wife of .

His career history :

http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowBiog.php?id=352

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:A_Naval_Biographical_Dictionary.djvu/491

[davidqueneherve]

THE LONDON GAZETTE, MARCH 5, 1880.

NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership heretofore existing between the undersigned, William Henry Parker and the Reverend Lambert Murray D'Orsey, carrying on the business or profession of Schoolmasters, at Ockham House, Twickenham, in the county of Middlesex, has been dissolved, by mutual consent, as from the 25th day of February instant. All debts will be received an 1 paid by the said Lambert Murray D'Orsey, at Ockham House, Twickenham aforesiid.— As witness the hands of the said parties this 28th day of February, 1880. William Henry Parker. Lambert Murray D'Orsey.