Turnbull - Cramlington 1800 to 1945

[muso_bob]

Comparing signatures? What a good idea, thanks Pete for your info.
Here I go making an "ass" out of "u" and "me". I assume that the GRO cert of marriage I have is a copy of the Registrar's "book". A record written by one person it seems as the writing certainly is all by one hand. So I am thinking that the certificate is information supplied by St Mary's Church, Parish of Morpeth in this case to the registrar. would there be a church record written by the individual people involved in existence? If so how does one see this?

[Michael Dixon]

muso_bob,

 Copy certificates obtained from GRO will be copy of a copy of a copy. Certs from the appropriate Register Office will be copy ( handwritten or typed )of original entry in register.  So the signatures of the "participants" are copies not facsimiles.

But some copy certs (typically Marriage Certs) from some Register Offices
 ( Sunderland, those in Co Durham, etc ), are facsimiles of the original register, and so show true signatures.

Michael

[muso_bob]

Thanks Michael, so the one I ordered from GRO online and received by post, which has what looks like a window in the centre of the page where they overlay over a "book" is what I think it is just a ledger entry. Maybe I should contact Northumberland Registry Office and ask if the copy they have shows real signatures by all parties? Then purchase a 'real' one if available.

[pete ash]

Just had a look through the copy marriage certs i have, and as Michael says some are facsimilies and others are copies.
 I read somewhere that the staff at woodhorn pit archives can copy entries from the parish records. I'll ask when i'm there come the weekend.
 A fly in the ointment may be that folk had a similar style of handwriting. (ruler across the knuckles for not forming your letters properly) 

[c-side]

I'm not sure that Woodhorn would get the original record book out to photocopy (in fact I'm pretty sure they won't!) but you can print an entry from the microfilm.  50p if you do it yourself or £1 if they do it for you.  I have no idea what they would charge if they had to do the search on the microfilm and for postage.

Christine

ADDED  be prepared to complete an excessively long copyright form beforehand!

[2zpool]

I am not sure what the history is on the filling out the copyright form but they did that in Morpeth and carried through to Woodhorn but you can copy merrily away all you want in Tyne and Wear and Durham records offices and just hand over the 50p.

added--and they stamp your paper with a copyright notice too.

Janis

[muso_bob]

Thanks again folks. I leave UK for my home in OZ end of first week in February so starting to run out of time to visit. I would love to get up to NBL - Woodhorn etc. I do have other items on our agenda to do as well though. Pete thanks for your offer, only if you are not compromising your own research.

Of the nine 1911 census I have with a Lancelot noted. Only two are to my mind from an area near to Cramlington.
1: George 56 Farmer of Crow Hall Cramlington with his large family; son Lancelot is 16 farmer's son assisting on the farm.
2: Annie Turnbull 49 widow son 21 Lancelot Allgood 21 an oil cart man. Also a on Robson Turnbull 11. Husband was Lancelot Allgood K Turnbull born c1854 deceased as far as 1901 and 1911 census concerned. found him in 1891 census.

[c-side]

I am not sure what the history is on the filling out the copyright form but they did that in Morpeth but you can copy merrily away all you want in Tyne and Wear and Durham records offices.

Janis

Don't get me started on that one    I don't recall having to fill out forms at Durham RO either

Christine

[c-side]

Just because you're heading back to Oz, Bob, doesn't mean you can't ask for a look up at Woodhorn every now and then.

Those of us who go regularly don't mind at all - sometimes it's a welcome relief from awkward ancestors 

Christine