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Re: Elsdon parish records - Edward BROWN
« Reply #9 on: Friday 01 August 14 01:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Christine,
  Thanks for your interest.

  I think it's likely that William and Isabella were married before. Some of the older children from the 1841 Census are staying with other Brown family members in 1851. Is that significant? I don't know.

  I may try to get a birth certificate for a child of William and/or Isabella born after Sept 1837 to see who the parents were.

  Finding the death record for Mr Pringle before 1834 would certainly help with your theory.

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Richard  :-\
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Re: Elsdon parish records - Edward BROWN
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 03 August 14 00:07 BST (UK) »
I haven't been able to find a Brown/Pringle marriage so that puts paid to my theory  :-\

Have you considered cross-border marriages - is there any liklihood of Presbyterians in the mix?

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Re: Elsdon parish records - Edward BROWN
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 03 August 14 01:58 BST (UK) »
Thanks for following up Christine.

Anything is possible, I suppose. I have heard that some Elsdon records are just not available and have been lost or destroyed.

I did order the birth certificate for their daughter Isabella Laidlaw (different spelling) born Q March 1841 in Castle Ward, in the hope that we can see if her parents were the same as Margaret born in 1846.

I shall let you know what I discover.

Richard
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Re: Elsdon parish records - Edward BROWN
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 03 August 14 03:31 BST (UK) »
So, the "people of interest" are:

William Laidler (Laidlaw) born 24 March 1808 in Lowick; died 6 December 1880 in Low Trewhitt
Isabella Brown born 10 March 1801 in Elsdon; died 30 July 1865 in Caistron

their children:
Lancelot Laidler born about 1831 in Elsdon; died 3 October 1872 in Alwinton
Elizabeth Laidler born about 1832 in Elsdon; no more info.
Mary Ann Laidler born about 1835 in Elsdon; died in Q September 1907 in Rothbury
James Laidler born about 1836 in Elsdon; died 12 September 1915 in Rothbury
Sarah Laidler born about 1838 in Elsdon; died Q December 1897 in Rothbury
Isabella Laidler born about 1841 in Elsdon, died Q March 1908 in Sunderland
William Laidler born Q December 1844 in Elsdon; died 12 June 1916 in South Shields
Margaret Laidler born 20 April 1846 in Bowershield; died 25 March 1882 in Sunderland
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I wonder if this info will help provide any clues.
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Richard PJ
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Re: Elsdon parish records - Edward BROWN
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 03 August 14 12:05 BST (UK) »
At least some of the children were baptised in Harbottle Presbyterian church:
Lancelot 3 Aug 1830 s. of William & Isabella Laidler, Raw, Par. of Elsdon, father a Shepherd
Elizabeth 28 Nov 1831 ditto
Sarah 8 Mar 1838 d. of William Laidler & Elizabeth Brown (sic) Ilelaw, father a Shepherd
Isabella 8 Jun 1840 d. of William Laidler & Isabella Brown, Grasslees, father a Shepherd
17 Apr 1843 William ditto father a Husbandman

Isabella and Elizabeth are sometimes used interchangeably but I would not have thought a family using both names for different daughters would have done this for the mother. Mistake? Or preference of Minister?

Marriage may have taken place over the Border. Worth checking Scotlandspeople just in case but probably not C of S. Have seen references to Presbyterian Ministers taking couples over the Border to marry them, and also of course it may have just been a marriage before witnesses.

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Re: Elsdon parish records - Edward BROWN
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 03 August 14 23:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you SelDen.
  The plot thickens!
  I found James Laidlaw, son of William Laidlaw and ELIZABETH Brown, born 6th Jan 1836 and baptised 16th Feb 1836 at the Presbyterian Church in Otterburn.
  With this information, I'm not sure that Isabella, Sarah and William will have birth records on the FreeBMD index to match. I wonder if some births were just not registered?
  Did William have three wives, namely 1. Isabella 2. Elizabeth 3. Isabella ? Or are they all Isabella Brown born 1801?
  So we're still searching for that elusive marriage record?
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Re: Elsdon parish records - Edward BROWN
« Reply #15 on: Monday 04 August 14 20:20 BST (UK) »
It might stay elusive if it was in Elsdon.  The problem with the records which you mention above is outlined on a post of mine last year.  Post no. 11

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=312847.msg5059914#msg5059914

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Re: Elsdon parish records - Edward BROWN
« Reply #16 on: Monday 04 August 14 21:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks Christine,
I'll just keep plugging away and see if any documents come to light to support or refute the fact that William Laidler (Laidlaw) married Isabella Brown some time between 1826 and 1838 in Elsdon.
I shall add an asterisk with your information about missing Elsdon records.
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Re: Elsdon parish records - Edward BROWN
« Reply #17 on: Monday 04 August 14 23:48 BST (UK) »
Now that SelDen has found baptisms in the Presbyterian church I think you should be looking cross-border.  The border is very close to Elsdon and most Presbyterians would prefer this than to being married in the Church of England which was the legal requirement.  Not all cross-border marriages have survived but it would be worth a look.

Welcome to rootschat, SelDen

Christine