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Re: Balchers, King Edward and Duncan family
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 25 June 15 06:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Scott

Many thanks, Rob and I will definitely love to have a visit. Is there some way that I can contact you directly?

I am putting together a booklet with all the information that we have. Do you have any information on the Morrison family John and Barbara, my grandfather born James Arthur 1899.
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Re: Balchers, King Edward and Duncan family
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 25 June 15 13:27 BST (UK) »
This site seems to object to the giving out of contact details, but ifyouwrite tous at

I've removed your address as once Sandie has made three posts you will be able to communicate through personal message system
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Re: Balchers, King Edward and Duncan family
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 25 June 15 19:23 BST (UK) »
Sandie,

Robert Duncan (d. 1863) and Isabella Morrison (d. 1873) had children, including Patrick (d. 1919) and John (d. 1907). Patrick's son, Patrick, married Mary Ann Morrison. They sold Balchers in 1942. John married Janet Taylor and had children including Sir Patrick Duncan, Governor-General of South Africa. John and Janet farmed Mill of Fortrie. Sir Patrick Duncan's wife was Alice Dod.

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Re: Balchers, King Edward and Duncan family
« Reply #12 on: Friday 26 June 15 00:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks Gr2 for adding to the modern history of Balchers.  An old (mid 70s at a guess) looked through the hedge at the house a couple of Summers ago, when I spoke to him he told me that his father had Balchers ' at the end of the war and for a few years after' - he told me tales of how cold it was during the bad Winter of '47.

I suspect that the farm was bought soon after that by Mr Allan of Melrose estates, he amassed a number of farms in the area, but didnt live at Balchers.  When he died Melrose Estates was divided between his children and Gordon Allen took Balchers as part of his share, he lives at Castle of Cullen, near Gardenstown and farmed the Balchers land until about 4 yers ago, he has now let the farm to another local farming concern - Benzies - who manage a number of farms in the area, they mostly farm root vegetables.

Gordon Allen sold the house of Balchers to Roy Chillingworth and his wife 30-40 yers ago. they found the house in a run down condition and spent a lot of effort turning it into a home.  They brought up 4 children in the house, the youngest daughter still lives in King Edward.

John and I bought the house in 2008 and have spent a lot of money and time improving the house and converting the servant's wing into a holiday cottage.  We have also been recovering the 'lost garden', cutting back rhododendrons and self seeded saplings to recover Mrs Duncan's garden.

Both John and I now have some medical problems and are planning to retire to a smaller housenear Edinburgh.  So, with sadness, we have now put the Old House of Balchers on the market.

...and Sandie please post another couple of messages and I can communicate my address to you

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Re: Balchers, King Edward and Duncan family
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 27 June 15 06:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Scott

I was really pleased to receive the information and am very glad to see the house being used again the photos that I have show the families having a good tie there. Hopefully this will allow us to correspond privately I wish you luck in selling such a beautiful property but not before we get the chance to visit I am  being a bit selfish but the place has drawn me.

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Re: Balchers, King Edward and Duncan family
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 27 June 15 14:03 BST (UK) »
Sandie

if you google Old House of Balchers you will see some of the recent pictures of the house.  The Aberdeen Press and Journal also did a recent article on the house in their Property Section.  You can see full details of the house on the website of Mcewan Fraser Legal, our selling agents.  You can contact us on (*)

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Re: Balchers, King Edward and Duncan family
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 22 September 18 01:14 BST (UK) »
Hello to those who are familiar with Balchers, King Edward, Aberdeenshire.  I am researching my gr-grandfather, who's name was John Morrison.  I see with interest on the 1871 census there is a John Morrison age 25, born in Boyndie.  My gr-grandfather matches this information.  With reading the posts on this site, the Morrison family married into the Duncan family.  The other Morrison listed in this census is Jane Morrison, age 68.  My question is: would any of you know if the John Morrison listed as residing at Balchers in 1871 is related to Isabella Morrison who married Patrick Duncan?  The information is truly uncanny as my John's mother was Isabella, but Isabella Barron and his father was William Morrison.  My John was the gamekeeper at Forglen House in 1880 (unclear for how long prior) then in 1881 became the gamekeeper at Drummuir Castle.  He married Janet Paton.  My John also died in 1907 but he died at Turner Memorial Hospital in Keith.  If anyone has any information on the Morrison family who married into the Duncan family, I would be very appreciative. It is interesting that the John Morrison listed as living at Balchers in 1871 is listed as a farm servant which makes me think he was not a close relative of the Morrisons??  I was wondering if the Jane Morrison listed as living at Balchers is my John's grandmother/great aunt/??? since Isabella is not listed.  I have zero information on William Morrison (my John's father) other than he had already passed away by 1878, when my John Morrison married Janet Paton in Peterhead.  Thank you in advance.

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Re: Balchers, King Edward and Duncan family
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 22 September 18 09:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Kate, and welcome to RootsChat.

I'm afraid I am a wee bit confused by what you have written, but I'm sure we can help.

Presumably you have the marriage certificate of John Morrison and Janet Paton. What was William Morrison's occupation? And what, exactly, was his mother's surname listed as? Where was he residing?

Do you have any actual birth, marriage and death certificates or original census records for any other of these folk? You can get these from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (SP) at modest cost. You will need these to be sure of anything but we can probably find out quite a bit from other sources.

I see from http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp that John Morrison also ran the Plough Inn in Keith for a few years before he died and that his age at death was given as 60. The index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (SP) tells me that Jessie Paton or Morrison died in Botriphnie in 1891 aged 42. (Drummuir is in the parish of Botriphnie.)

The 1881 census lists at Eastertown, Botriphnie John Morrison, 34, gamekeeper, born Boyndie; wife Jessie, 30, born Peterhead; daughter Jessie Ann, 1, born Forglen, and a lodger. (The names Janet and Jessie are used interchangeably in Scotland.)

Unfortunately Scotland's People lists only one baptism of a John Mor(r)ison in Boyndie in the 1840s, the son of John Morrison and Isabella Sievwright, baptised in 1846, who is obviously not yours.

According to the transcriptions at https://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl there are two John Morrisons, both born in Boyndie, both farm servants in King Edward in 1871. One is 25 and the other 27. The 25-year-old is at Balchers, but he could be the one I just mentioned above. He is just one of several servants in the household, and it is most likely just coincidence that the farmer's aunt's surname is the same.

In 1861 there is just one, a 16-year-old John Morison, born Boyndie, a cattleman at Little Crannah, Marnoch. He is the only John Mor(r)ison born in Boyndie in the 1840s in the FreeCEN transcription of the 1861 census.

In 1851 John Morison, aged 5, born Boyndie, is described as 'wife's son' in the census at Pitgair, Gamrie. The head of the household is James Birnie, farmer, 40, born Tyrie and the wife is Isabella Birnie, 33, born Boyndie. James Birnie married Isabella Sievwright in Gamrie in 1850. So this one isn't yours, and it looks as if yours isn't in any census before (possibly) 1871. He is the only John Mor(r)ison born in Boyndie in the 1840s in the FreeCEN transcription of the 1851 census, and the only John Mor(r)ison aged 4 to 8 living in Banffshire in a household with an Isabella in the SP index to the 1851 census.

Therefore the probability is that your John Morrison was illegitimate, which will make it much harder to find out who his father was.
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Re: Balchers, King Edward and Duncan family
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 22 September 18 10:32 BST (UK) »
Now, to the Duncans. Patrick Duncan was aged 45 in 1871, and born in Alvah. So he must be the son of Robert Duncan and Isabel Morrison, baptised in Alvah on 12 July 1825.

In 1851 he is at Balchers, listed as the great-nephew of Elspet Duncan, widow, aged 77, born Turriff. Also in the household is Jane Morrison, niece of Elspet Duncan, born Turriff. In 1841 the same people are listed, but Jean Morison is described as 'servant'. They are still there in 1861, though by now Patrick is the farmer, Jane Morrison, 59, is 'aunt' and Elspet Duncan, 89, is 'great-aunt'.

Robert Duncan and Isabella Morrison and the rest of their family remained at Auchinbaidy, Alvah.

Elspet Davidson or Duncan, mother's surname Lloyd, died in King Edward in 1866, aged 84. Elspet Davidson married Peter Duncan in 1797 and the banns were called in both Turriff and Alvah. So the mother of Isabella Morrison must have been a Davidson.

However there no record on SP of sisters Jean, Isabella and Mar* Mor(r)ison, mother Davidson. So it may be that the family were Episcopalians and/or that no records have survived of their baptisms. There is a marriage of James Morison to Anna Davidson in Turriff in 1792 which might be the one.

In 1881 Jane Morrison, 79, was living with her sister, name transcribed as 'Mar', aged 84, in Turriff. Jane died in Turriff in 1885, aged 86. Either her death certificate, or that of her sister Isabella in 1873, will tell you who their parents were. There was also a brother John who died in 1880 aged 76.

What does seem fairly clear is that Isabella Mor(r)ison who married Robert Duncan came from a Turriff family, and that your John's origins are not easy to find. Mor(r)ison is a very common surname, and my personal opinion is that it is just a coincidence that a John Morrison who is probably yours but might not be was employed in 1871 by a farmer whose mother's maiden surname was Morison.
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