Family name any suggestions please - Menel

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I have the Christian name of Menel used as a 2nd Christian name in my Welsh tree. They also gave him a 3rd Christian name of Bateman (that does relate to family). I have tried to find out where this could have originated and have found nothing that's helpful.

I know it's a long shot but does anyone have any ideas, other than a long past family name that I haven't found, which was resurrected in 1867.

It's not a life and death question but it has been bugging me for a couple of years.

Thanks.

[JustLooking]

Hi

Have you got any locations, dates , etc. that might help us help you?


JL

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Yes sorry 

Joseph Menel Bateman Knight b 1867 Chorlton, Manchester

Father: Thomas Knight b 1841 Great Budworth, Cheshire
Mother: Ann Jones b. 1836 Bala, Merioneth

Joseph's grandmother Ann(e) Bateman b 1805 Abergele
Joseph's grandfather William Knight b 1805 Great Budworth, Cheshire

census ref:
RG10/ 3993/ 35 p15

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Additional info: Gwen Jones is Ann's sister who went to live as a servant with her sister when she married.

Does this give you enough?

Thanks

[JustLooking]

Hi

This looks like them in 1851  in Bala

HO107/2510/141/32


Do you have access to the 1851?

Parents - Evan (53, b. Llangower) and Jane (46, b.Ruthin)

I'll see if I can find Evan in Llangower as I have the records.

JL

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Thanks JL. I can't get back further than Evan Jones (spelt Ifan on Ann's marriage cert) his occupation was stated as gardener (I am a little dubious about that).

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HO107/2510/141 p 32

Again I am doubtful about Evan's occupation as an Hostler

[JustLooking]

Hi

Yes that is the one which I referred to.

It might be best if you don't cut and paste from Ancestry - it's not really allowed . You should type out from the original page   

I'll look up Evan tomorrow.


JL

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Whooops I didn't know.

Thanks for your help, any further info would be wonderful.

[JustLooking]

Hello again

I think that this might be Evan Jones's baptism:

Llangower 25 March 1794 Evan s/o Evan Jones and Elizabeth

There is also this one but a bit later:

15 Oct 1798 Evan s/o Thomas Jones and Margaret  * see next posting

It doesn't help with the Menel name though 

I see from the 1841 and 51 censuses that Evan and Jane had the following daughters ~

Hannah, Margaret, Elizabeth, Ann, Jane, Gwen and Mary which means that either of the baptisms might be him!

I've also checked the Names from Clwyd site  http://www.namesfromclwyd.org.uk/  which lists all the surnames mentioned in the parish transcripts produced by the Clwyd FHS, covering the area. I don't see Menel or anything similar listed.

This bit on origins -  http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Menel


JL

[JustLooking]

Thanks JL. I can't get back further than Evan Jones (spelt Ifan on Ann's marriage cert) his occupation was stated as gardener (I am a little dubious about that).

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 HO107/2510/141 p 32.

Again I am doubtful about Evan's occupation as an Hostler

Hi again

I've just looked at the Llanycil (Bala)  baptism records and have come up with these that might be of interest to you:

10 June 1828  Hannah b.d. of Evan Jones and Jane Davies - servants
14 Mar 1830  Margaret d/o Evan Jones (ostler) and Jane
8 April 1832    Elizabeth d/o Evan Jones (ostler) and Jane
2 Nov 1834   Anne d/o  Evan Jones (ostler) and Jane

Also this marriage:

28 Dec 1829 Evan Jones and Jane Davies, both otp, ba and sp , by Licence. Witnesses - David Jones and Grace Jones



JL

PS - rechecked Evan's age on the 1851. i now think that the 1798 baptism to Thomas Jones and Margaret looks the most likely