Edward Jones _ Architect

[Liz newns]

Ah thanks I was hoping she may have moved with them from somewhere. I have enjoyed reading your history though. Thanks

[wilcoxon]

http://www.clwydsurnames.org.uk/N.html

This site in an alphabetical index.
Newns .
There is also an Anne Newns, a servant in other household.
Misc: 1841 Census Wrexham Town:
King Street: Anne     30     fem. servt.   not born in County
Queen Street: Martha  20     fem. servt.   not born in County
 

[wilcoxon]

Hi,
. On the 1841 census a Martha Newns was a servant for the family. I can find no record of her anywhere and think she may be the unmarried mother of George Newns born possibly in Wrexham workhouse in 1841.

What makes you think George Newns was born in the workhouse in 1841 . Have you the baptism.

[wilcoxon]

Liz. I see you are new to Rootschat so - welcome.
It will be better if you start a completely new thread for George Newns.
You will have more chance of getting help.
Give as many  details that  you already have , the earliest I have  found him in 1881 even though he married in 1864.

[nzenigma]

Liz. I see you are new to Rootschat so - welcome.
It will be better if you start a completely new thread for George Newns.
You will have more chance of getting help.
Give as many  details that  you already have , the earliest I have  found him in 1881 even though he married in 1864.

Liz, excellent advice from Wilcoxon [ hi been a while  ] who, with other Wrexham based researchers, gave me a huge amount of help with my own search. Cheers GJ

[nzenigma]

    Hi All, Its been a while, so wishing you all the best for yet another Christmas and New Year.
Our initial search for Edward Jones’ family has grown to a stage where I have now met most of his numerous (living) descendants in New Zealand. I have also been encouraged to write their story, so my spare time is consumed with assembling the tome ‘From Wrexham to Wellington’.

An old chestnut but here goes...
I would love to find out more about Edward’s parents, John Jones (1754-1796) and Anne Jones (1785-1821). His marriage to Anne Jones seems to fit:  “19/2/1787 Wrexham John JONES m. Anne JONES both otp” (Jill Rose). Their eldest son was born" -/03/1787 bapt 06/05/1787 son of John Jones and Ann" (Chester St Records)

Relying upon A.N.Palmer (1888), John appears prosperous enough to establish Jones’ Hall /square at the top of Queen Street. Also, Edward Jones’ home was next door. I assume John or Anne had some inherited wealth. Also, Anne Jones’ Will dated 1815, contains a sizeable bequeath of
“my several Mefsauges and Dwellinghouses together with the outbuildings, lands and Apprentances in Pentrefevin [  and similarly] in Broughton and Bromo”.

In an attempt to find some information from land titles I came across Palmer’s 1844 Wrexham map. https://www.wrexham-history.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Wrexham-Map-1844-A.N.-Palmer.jpg
It shows what I presume is a lot # 45. The buildings of Hope and Queen Streets sit upon this parcel. Did landholders have individual title here? Is the history of such titles or leasehold recorded and available?
Cheers Gary

[wilcoxon]

Hi. I`ve had a look at the Tithe maps which are now searchable online, I did some of the transcriptions myself.
The area you are looking for is Wrexham Abbot, and there are many plots including 45 that have Glebe as landowner and Church warden as occupier. This means that the people who were there are not listed.

https://places.library.wales/home

[wilcoxon]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=784316.msg6391597#msg6391597

I`ve asked for some help so hopefully some one will respond.

[nzenigma]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=784316.msg6391597#msg6391597

I`ve asked for some help so hopefully some one will respond.

Thankyou my long time friend could always count on you.

 I'm unfamiliar with land tenure in the UK compared with downunder.
I was assuming that Palmer had used an ancient map and marked the street boundaries that have houses.

If lot 45 is held by Glebe, is Palmer incorrect when he  says:
 “The whole of the houses numbered 8 to 10 [Queen Street] were I believe, built by Mr John Jones, carpenter, on land belonging to him there towards the end of the last century." and also "this square is called ` The New Linen hall`. In 1818, in the rates books, it is called `The Irish hall` and in 1827, ` Manchester square`, but it was more commonly called Jones`s square. It was still in existence in 1841 and doubtless much later."  (Palmer, A. N. 1893, History of the Town of Wrexham)