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Re: 1841 Census, Lilleshall, Shropshire for Ann(e) Bailey/Bayley
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 16 February 11 19:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Both

Going back to the old familysearch site which I am more used to,  i have come across this marriage on the IGI Index:-

Thomas BARLEY - Elizth PRITCHARD  22 APR 1816 Edgmond, Shropshire



An interesting thing is that if you look at all the Bailey marriages under M006501, you find a Mary Bailey who marries a Richard Taylor 22 April 1802 in Edgmond. Wonder if the Taylor and Bailey families were related?

I have broken my toe, so am sitting with my foot up in case you are wondering at the time I am spending on this, but it is intriguing.

Names :Scriven, Parlour, Vaughan, Pember,Price, Thompson, Rennie/Roney, Hannon,Taylor,Pitt,Brice

Places: Alveley, Bewdley, Rock, Dukinfield, Manchester,Limerick, Bishopstone/Dilwyn, Swarraton,Alverstoke, Middlesex

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Re: 1841 Census, Lilleshall, Shropshire for Ann(e) Bailey/Bayley
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 16 February 11 20:04 GMT (UK) »
This could be Thomas born 1785 Lilleshall

Thomas BAILEY 17 Nov 1785 Lilleshall, Shropshire parents Thomas and Sarah

Barbara ;)
Names :Scriven, Parlour, Vaughan, Pember,Price, Thompson, Rennie/Roney, Hannon,Taylor,Pitt,Brice

Places: Alveley, Bewdley, Rock, Dukinfield, Manchester,Limerick, Bishopstone/Dilwyn, Swarraton,Alverstoke, Middlesex

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Re: 1841 Census, Lilleshall, Shropshire for Ann(e) Bailey/Bayley
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 16 February 11 20:12 GMT (UK) »
And there is a possible birth of Elizabeth Pritchard in Edgmond

Elizabeth PRITCHARD 13 AUG 1789 Edgmond, Shropshire parents Joseph and Mary   
   
An IGI entry submitted by a member enters Mary as Mary Yates
         

Must go now.
Names :Scriven, Parlour, Vaughan, Pember,Price, Thompson, Rennie/Roney, Hannon,Taylor,Pitt,Brice

Places: Alveley, Bewdley, Rock, Dukinfield, Manchester,Limerick, Bishopstone/Dilwyn, Swarraton,Alverstoke, Middlesex

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Re: 1841 Census, Lilleshall, Shropshire for Ann(e) Bailey/Bayley
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 17 February 11 05:02 GMT (UK) »
Good morning from Australia
I am not too sure where to begin, I go from no information to an avalanche! Thanks an awful for all your trouble all of you and my commiserations to scriv2 on your broken toe must be a real handycap?
My apologies for my obfuscation to date in not being very specific in what I have and what I want. My basic problem is that a fellow born Alfred Bayley to a single mother, Ann Bayley changed his named when his mother married a George Taylor to become Alfred Taylor.
At a later date, the marriage of now Alfred Taylor to Christiana Milns Alfred claimed his father to be 'Amos Evers'! I have searched for many years and there appears to be no sign of an Amos Evers but there exists a family history of Gypsy involvement and that I know nothing of.
My current search began as a search for Ann Bayley in the 1841 census and now has taken on a life of it's own to involve her parents and her brother Thomas and all I can say is I am favourably flabergasted!
The suggestion by Scrive 2 in relation to her find  in family Search has all the connotations of being a tale behind a tale, that is the "baptism of, Anne Bayley 10 Oct 1819 Lilleshall, Shropshire parents Thomas Bayley and Elizabeth and then one for Thomas a couple of years later, Thomas Bailey 28 Oct 1821 parents Thomas Bailey and Elizabeth. Maybe, maybe Elizabeth did die soon after and Catherine then came on the scene of neccesity in those hard times as Scriv2 says there is a possible death of an Elizabeth Bailey in 1839:- Deaths Mar 1839 Bailey Elizabeth  Newport 18 99 which supports such a scenario, goodness!!!!
Also, the suggestion of Barbera in relation to the baptism of Thomas BAILEY 17 Nov 1785 Lilleshall, Shropshire parents Thomas and Sarah seems to stand up too further extending my direct family line it would seem so far?
The address given on Alfred's birth certificate gives born 23 Feb 1842, Chesswell, Longford, I am not too sure from Australia the relavence of that location in regards to above scenario?
I think I will post this lot and have a strong coffee, my brain just died, (I just turned 73).
Cheers for now all
Bram
Taylor, Baker, Milns, Bayley, Bailey, Evers, Shropshire.
Sewell, Prestidge, Northamptonshire.
Simpson, Mitchell, Edmondson, Slater, Abbott, West Riding Yorkshire.
Zelley, Eggleton, White, Lovell, Purchase, Dorset.
Neech, Suffolk, Norfolk.
Singleton, Surrey,
Eggleton, Buckingham/Surrey

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Re: 1841 Census, Lilleshall, Shropshire for Ann(e) Bailey/Bayley
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 17 February 11 05:45 GMT (UK) »
Do you have Alfred's birth certificate? If so what does it say about who his father is?

I have had a quick look for an Amos Evers and the only one I found (on the IGI) was born in 1836 in Yorkshire so obviously not your chap.

Unusual name though, so I wonder if it's worth chasing the 1836 one up just in case there is an earlier connection with the family ... No doubt you have probably already been down this route.

Also I couldn't find him in 1841 and you would expect him to be there somewhere - perhaps he is mistranscribed. If your gypsy theory is true this might go some way to explaining why he is missing.

It just seems to be an odd name to make up for your father on your marriage certificate if there isn't some truth in it ....  :-\ What was Amos's occupation on the marriage cert?


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Re: 1841 Census, Lilleshall, Shropshire for Ann(e) Bailey/Bayley
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 17 February 11 05:53 GMT (UK) »
There is a "Travellers/Gypsy board" but it must be hidden somewhere - I can't locate it. You may get some help on there as I believe it's a fairly specialised subject.

maybe someone else can help ... ?


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Re: 1841 Census, Lilleshall, Shropshire for Ann(e) Bailey/Bayley
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 17 February 11 06:43 GMT (UK) »
ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: 1841 Census, Lilleshall, Shropshire for Ann(e) Bailey/Bayley
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 17 February 11 07:28 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning Bram - Good Morning Barbara

Bram, how is that strong coffee? Barbara, how is that toe?

So you are on a quest to find a missing father?? Notably an Amos Evers!! And in finding Anne in 41 you are hoping that Amos could be near by. I was hoping that the address from the birth certificate in 42 would give some indication of where Anne was and that she would still be there in 41, however it looks as though Anne went home as Cheswell is the address of Thomas Bayley, Catherine Bayley and Thomas Bayley found in 41.

Had a look in 41 for an Amos Evers but there doesn't appear to be an Amos, however the surname Evers can be found in the Shropshire area, which is encouraging, so perhaps a posting on the Travellers/Gypsy board as suggested by Ruskie would be a good place to start.

Good Luck Bram
All the best


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Re: 1841 Census, Lilleshall, Shropshire for Ann(e) Bailey/Bayley
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 17 February 11 09:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Scriv2
I saw the reference to the Ancestry.com tree and I think I saw it last year when I subscribed to Ancestry, I don't at the moment as I had to deal with a bit of Lymphoma for a while and was pretty caught up with it, however I do have all the information on my ancestry back from Alfred and George Taylor including Ann of course but not the young Thomas you people have just turned up, and thanks for that to all of you. I also have some of the family of Elizabeth Taylor who married a Frederick Reynolds and they had eight children together? I have also expanded for some forgotton reason on Mary Reynolds who went on to marry a Joseph Wickstead and also George Reynolds who married  Annie Maria Jones and I seem to remember speaking with the owner of the tree a while back? I have about 3000 people in my tree over all but it was this little corner I wanted to tidy up before I depart this earth and leave my 14 grand children and three great grand children a CD with a copy of their family history on it as both GEDCOm and an FTW (Family Tree Maker) file. I am more than happy with what has surfaced in the last couple of days and will try and build on that by expanding on Ann and the Thomases, Catherine and Elizabeth etc.?

ADD:- I have been going over my notes in a massive drawer I have here down under and found a note as follows which I don't think we have turned up this last few days but don't hold me to it!!!!
1841 Census: Brockton, (nr Cheswell Hill)
HO107/906/ 6/ 5 p 5

Brockton, Longford, Shropshire.
Thomas Bayley   55   Ag lab   Born in this County
Catherine Bayley   44      Born in this County
Thomas Bayley   17   Ag lab   Born in this County
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Of course still no sign of Ann!

Cheers,
Bram
Taylor, Baker, Milns, Bayley, Bailey, Evers, Shropshire.
Sewell, Prestidge, Northamptonshire.
Simpson, Mitchell, Edmondson, Slater, Abbott, West Riding Yorkshire.
Zelley, Eggleton, White, Lovell, Purchase, Dorset.
Neech, Suffolk, Norfolk.
Singleton, Surrey,
Eggleton, Buckingham/Surrey