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Williams, Morgan, Dagger
« on: Sunday 20 February 11 02:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi all hoping someone can help me.
My father was born in bedwelty 1921, name Wilfred George Williams. All I know is his mothers maiden name was Morgan, apparently his parents both died and he was raised by an aunt with the surname Dagger. He does not seem to appear in any census records I have checked and next appears when he married my mother Joan Farmer in Southhampton. Dad joined the navy as a youngman. This is all the information I have.
Any help gratefully recieved.thanks

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Re: Williams, Morgan, Dagger
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 February 11 05:54 GMT (UK) »
Hello and welcome to RootsChat

You will not find your father on any census -as the most recent census available to view is the 1911 (that is a pay per view site )

With a name like Williams and mother's name Morgan in Wales - it is difficult to search

You really need key certificates to get you started

If you have Wilfred's birth cert that will give parents names and would be a help.

Suz
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Re: Williams, Morgan, Dagger
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 February 11 06:14 GMT (UK) »
thank you I appreciate your help.
I will be ordering the birth cert this week.
Any ideas re the aunt Dagger? I knew williams and morgan would be a challenge in Wales.
Thanks
Jan

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Re: Williams, Morgan, Dagger
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 February 11 06:19 GMT (UK) »
there is a marriage reg
Hubert Dagger
Elizabeth A Morgan
Jun qtr 1913
Bedwellty district
11a 145

There is a family of Morgans (more than one!!!) in New tredegar who have a daughter Elizabeth A -and other daughters but I can't find any of the other daughters married to a Williams

Difficult tho

How old was Wilfred when he went to live with Aunt"Dagger"??

Where did he live??

Did he have any siblings????

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Williams, Morgan, Dagger
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 20 February 11 08:28 GMT (UK) »
hi there,
thank you for your interest.
I believe dad had siblings, but not 100% sure.
No one has any idea about what age he was when he went to live with his Aunt, Dad passed away a number of years ago and both he and mum are very private about family history which is making things very difficult. i have ordered dads birth cert so maybe it will help shed some light. I do remember dad saying he had a brother in the army who was killed during the war. But whether it was a true brother or not i have no idea. I believe dad lived in Ebavale as he mentioned it often when I was a child.
Very difficult to find out / search from Australia very glad of internet.
Thanks
Jan

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Re: Williams, Morgan, Dagger
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 20 February 11 15:17 GMT (UK) »
Hopefully we can get on the right track when birth cert arrives --please post details so we can help

Meanwhile  have been doing some detective work - please remember this is guesswork until certificate arrives

The extra snippets of info have helped

Ebbw Vale comes within Bedwelty registration district

the Elizabeth A Morgan /Hubert Dagger is the only Morgan/Dagger marriage I can find in the area.

So let's assume for the time being that Elizabeth A Morgan had a sister who married a Williams -and gave birth to Wilfred George Williams

Firstly it seems Elizabeth A Morgan and Hubert Dagger had 3 children -but only one survived to adulthood
Frederick J Dagger (mother's maiden name Morgan birth reg Sept qtr 1915 bedwellty
death reg age 0 Mar qtr 1916 Bedwellty
Hubert G Dagger mother's maiden name Morgan birth reg 1917 Bedwellty
poss death reg Hubert george Dagger born 9 Apr 1917
death reg Oct 1984 Bromsgrove Worcetershire 29 12
1961 phone book shows Dagger H.G. 213 Birchfield Rd Redditch3572

there is a death reg which may be Elizabeth A Morgan -married Dagger'

Death reg
Elizabeth A Dagger Jun qtr 1949 age 56 Bedwellty 8c 87

possibly Hubert then went to spend the rest of his days with son Hubert G

Death reg Hubert Dagger born 2 Sept 1885 death reg 1979 Bromsgrove district

Maybe??

Back to Elizabeth A Morgan

This looks like a possibility for her 1901

Beech Terrace EBBW VALE Mon
John Morgan Head M 37 Insurance agent Merthyr Glamorgan
Mary wife 37 St Issells Pembrokeshire
ELIZABETH A daughter 8 Ebbw Vale Mon
Robert J son 4 Ebbw Vale Mon
Beatrice M daughter 1 Ebbw Vale
RG13 4940 105 14

so Elizabeth had a sister Beatrice M!!!

There is a marriage
Dec qtr 1916
Abergavenny
Beatrice M Morgan
Alfred G Williams
11a 103

so could this be Wilfred George's parents ???

Only problem there are 3 beatrice M Morgan birth reg in Bedwellty district
2 in 1899 and one in 1890???

it looks very feasible

Auntie Elizabeth A dagger would only have 1 child at home so would be able to take Wilfred in willingly

As for Wilfred's parents both dying young -it may be so
but also maybe Dad died and Mum remarried -new hubby didn't want children

or vice versa

there is also this birth reg
beatrice M Williams mother's maiden name Morgan Mar qtr 1919 Bedwellty 11a 178 -who if we have "guessed" Wilfred's parents correctly -could be his sister??

I haven't managed to find a death which "rings any bells" in WW2 Roll of Honour

I am looking forward to the birth cert details almost a much as you must be

Suz
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Re: Williams, Morgan, Dagger
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 20 February 11 21:47 GMT (UK) »
thank you it will be great to get the birth certificate. ( they take so long ) will post it as soon as .If anything else comes to light i will post as well thanks for your help your amazing.
cheers
Jan

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 February 11 22:47 GMT (UK) »
Please do -any little snippet may help -don't forget all that I have done is mainly "guesswork" If birth cert proves it to be otherwise -then we start again -no problem

Suz
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Re: Williams, Morgan, Dagger
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 20 February 11 23:17 GMT (UK) »
hi again
Dads Navy service Number   R?N, AbleSeaman D/SSX26797
Is there any way we are able to search his records to see what ships he was on etc.
Cheers
Jan