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Wrecclesham dog and partridge pub
« on: Tuesday 22 February 11 09:44 GMT (UK) »
i am looking for information on the dog and partridge pub on what on the 1861 census was Wrecclesham street. dispite googling this i cannot find any info about it. i am assuming it is no longer there or has a different name now.
my ancestors were publicans at this pub for almost 30 years it would seem and i would love to know if the building is still standing and maybe get a picture of it.
many thanks
Ralph. Lever. Young. Lasham. Denigan. Sawyer. Moore. Stone

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Re: Wrecclesham dog and partridge pub
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 February 11 08:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi rachelralph

From http://www.deadpubs.co.uk/
Public Houses & Hotels in the 1878 Surrey Directory - D.
Dog & Partridge, Wrecclesham, Farnham, Licencee is a Thomas baker

If you are using ancestry for the census search, once you are looking at the image itself, you can click on the bolded 'District' hyperlink at the top of the image and have a look at the description of the enumeration district.  This should be able to give you more clues as to where "Wrecclesham Street" was exactly, especially if there are no clues to the location of the pub by descriptions of neighbouring roads.

In the 1881 for example you would look at the descritpion for the enumeration district no 11 to find descrition of area including Wrecclesham Street.
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Re: Wrecclesham dog and partridge pub
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 February 11 08:29 GMT (UK) »
what a helpful piece of advice, thank you. i did have a look at the surrounding streets on the previous and next page but it all was wrecclesham street so it didnt help much. i will get on with that now.
that is interesting about the thomas baker too, as my ancestors were landlords there in 61 but not 78.
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Re: Wrecclesham dog and partridge pub
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 February 11 19:32 GMT (UK) »
I had looked up Thomas Baker in 1881 and found him in Wrecclesham Street, Farnham but by then he was described as a Labourer (if it was the same guy).

Have you tried putting your subjects name into Google books along with the area name - that sometimes brings a hit or two.

Hope you find the location - I went to either Farnham or Wrecclesham (I forget which now!) a couple of years ago in the summer and it is a lovely picturesque area (whichever one it was  ;) ).
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Re: Wrecclesham dog and partridge pub
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 February 11 20:39 GMT (UK) »
In 1861 in that district 11, Thomas Eade aged 31 born in Binsted, Hants, is enumerated at the 31st property which is described as "Dog & Partridge Public House" in Wrecclesham Street and this property is listed just two doors away from the "Royal Oak Public House". The next property after the Dog & Patridge is situated in Clay Lane, which must have been a turning off of Wrecclesham Street or at a junction at the end of it.  After Clay Lane is Holt Lane, after that comes a road called Short heath (the area may now be called Shortheath) then the enumerator comes back to Clay Hill again then arrives at School House and National School before continuing back into Wrecclesham Street.

Its a starting point with two pub names to investigate now - perhaps if information about the Dog pub is not immediately available then maybe information as to the local of the very nearby Royal Oak, Wrecclesham might appear somewhere.  Old maps may prove very useful - someone might know the name of the nearest library to Wrecclesham or you might be able to find that information via Genuki.
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Re: Wrecclesham dog and partridge pub
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 February 11 20:54 GMT (UK) »
By typing  61 The street, farnham, Surrey
into Google maps (and then looking at Street view), this brings up a picture of a pub called the Royal Oak, in "The Street" Farnham - perhaps this is the Royal Oak referred to in 1861 - no guarantees though - its just a guess.  If you can manage to negotiate through Street view on Google maps there is another pub just up the road a bit - all needs correlating with local historic maps.
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Re: Wrecclesham dog and partridge pub
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 February 11 00:31 GMT (UK) »
midnight here and im slighty worse for wear alcohol wise, whoops lol

i did come across the royal pub and thought about contacting them for advice and info.

thanks all for you help, will check again tomorrow morning (lol who am i kidding i mean afternoon!) and see what i can make of this all.
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Re: Wrecclesham dog and partridge pub
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 February 11 22:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rachelralfe

Here is a way to go:
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html

Through this site you can type in the postcode of the RO pub in Wrecclesham and see it on the modern day map.  Then you can click on the maps on the right side of the screen - I tried the 1870 pre-war map - the maps on the right hand side are of the same post-code.  I tried it tonight after getting back from a lovely curry and decided to let you do the rest.  If your'e a computer techy you'll know how to do a screen shot of the modern day map and paste that into a separate doc so that you can compare by switching screens. 

I forgot about this site but its really useful when I do remember  ;D
Going to put my feet up now. ;)
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Re: Wrecclesham dog and partridge pub
« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 May 11 10:08 BST (UK) »
Rachelralph

This photo should answer your questions.  It was taken about 1910 with soldiers from nearby Bordon camp marching down the hill past the Dog and Partridge (on the right) and the Royal Oak (on the left).
If you would like a higher resolution copy of the photo let me know
Peter