Llanfachreth church

[Deryn]

oops David, I might have made a mistake with my searching.

My Thomas Lloyd b.1829  Llanbedr, Denbighshire.

Married a Jane (maiden name Roberts ) from Llanfachreth.

I always assumed it was the Jane b1828 to William Roberts and Catherine (Griffith/s) Llanfachreth.

After you told me that Jane died the following year I checked my dates.

NOW, the Jane married to my Thomas Lloyd was 47 in the 1881 census. ( that would mean she was born in 1834 !) The Jane we are discussing was born in 1828, SO I must have the wrong Jane ?

My Jane must have been born in 1834 !

Can you just check my maths David ?

If you are right, and I am wrong as I suspect, then I need to be looking for a Jane (Robert/s) born in Llanfachreth 1834.

Deryn

[Dolgellau]

On the 1841 census for Llanfachreth (Ref HO107; Piece 1431; Book: 4; Enumeration District: 22; Folio: 21; Page: 13) there is a 7 year old Jane Robert living with her parents David Robert 45 farmer, Jane 35 and siblings Elizabeth 15, Griffith 15, Margaret 9, Ann 5, Mary 2 and Lowry 9 months. The name of the farm is Tyddyn Arthur.

[Dolgellau]

If the Tyddyn Arthur family is yours, you might also be interested to know that David Robert married Jane Thomas on 17th October 1822. see:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c2c/

[Deryn]

Hi Dolgellau,

that would fit in nicely wouldn't it.

The 'Jane' fits.
The maiden name 'Roberts' fits.
The b.1834 would also fit in with Jane being 47 in 1881.

I will take a look at the marriages now as you suggest.

BIG thanks,

Deryn

[Deryn]

Hi again,

it would seem that the marriage in 1822 would fit in with the births of the children:

Mary 2 - 1824
Ann 5- 1827
Jane 7 - 1834


SO I am now concluding that my Jane Roberts was b.1834 to David Roberts and Jane Thomas.

WOW, how things can change ! Or should I say WoW goh easy it is to make mistakes ?

If you come up with anything else it will be much appreciated.

Deryn

[Deryn]

Dollgellau,

does a daughter Catherine b1827 to David (farmer) and Jane Roberts at Tyddyn Arthur throw a spanner in the works ?

In 1827 'our' Robert and Jane are having a daughter Ann ?

Deryn

[Dolgellau]

The census would suggest that Ann was born in 1836 and Mary in 1839 so Ann and Catherine don't clash.

David and Jane seem to be prolific breeders they appear to have had
Elizabeth bapt 1 Jan 1823, Griffith bapt Nov 12 1825, Catherine bap Aug 19 1827, David bapt Dec 13 1829, Margaret bapt Sept 4 1831, Jane born abt 1834, Ann b abt 1836, Mary b abt 1839, Lowry b abt 1840, Robert b abt 1844, William b abt 1846, Ellin b abt 1847 and Elinor b abt 1853.

The sources for the later children are the 1851 census and a Memorial Inscription for Ellin who didn't live long enough to appear on a census. Do you want transcriptions of the family in the latter census or do you have access to them?

[Dolgellau]

I've found a baptism for David Roberts on a fiche copy of the Bishop's Transcripts for Llanfachreth, but it is very faint and difficult to transcribe in full:

David the son of Robert Thomas of xxxxxx xxxxx and xxxxx his wife January  1 1794

The parish registers in Dolgellau Archive might be clearer

David and Jane a buried in Llanfachreth Church and have this MI:

Er cof am Jane gwraig David Roberts Penyresgynfa yr hon a fu farw Mehefin 14 1863, yn 60 mlwydd oed

Hefyd am y dywydedig David Roberts yr hwn a fu farw Chwefror 3ydd 1880 yn 87 mlwydd oed

In memory of Jane the wife of David Roberts of Penyresgynfa who died on June 14 1863 aged 60 years
Also the aforementioned David Robert of Penyresgynfa who died on February 3rd  1880 aged 70 years.

Buried in adjacent plots are their daughter Ellin who died June 19 1849 aged 1 ½ and their son Griffith who died Feb 18 1891 aged 66.

[Deryn]

Hi thanks for all the work you have put in for me.

BUT - in the 1841 census you mentioned earlier David was 45. So he was born in 1796. The David in the cemetary was born in 1810.
And Jane was 35 in the 1841 census. So she was born in 1806. The Jane in the cemetary was born in 1803.

Do those numbers add up ?

SO - is David and Jane in the cemetary not mine ?

BUT - the David and Jane from Tyddyn Arthur are mine ?

Deryn