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James Howe, and son? Joseph Howe
« on: Sunday 27 February 11 13:03 GMT (UK) »
I am attempting to verify a connection between my 6th-grandfather removed, Joseph Howe (a friend of George Washington) who immigrated to Virginia. Joseph Howe purportedly was 2nd cousin to General George Augustus Howe, 3nd Viscount, General William Howe, 5rd Viscount Howe and Admiral Richard Howe, 4th Viscount. On this side of the pond, family history has it that he was the son of one James Howe, who was born in 1704 and buried at Binsted on April 6, 1728, near his mother Ruperta Howe, buried at Binsted in July 27th, 1741.

Any information would be most appreciated!

Thomas

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Re: James Howe, and son? Joseph Howe
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 February 11 13:43 GMT (UK) »
You do not give a birthplace, birthyear or emigration date for Joseph Howe.

What parish records did you find relating to what you believe to be 'your' Joseph Howe?

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Re: James Howe, and son? Joseph Howe
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 February 11 14:07 GMT (UK) »
The following Buriels are recorded at Binstead

17 Oct 1701-Rachel HOWE
29 Sept 1709-The Hon: General (no name given)  HOW
15 Apr 1721-Emanuel  HOW
06 Apr 1728-James HOWE
27 Jul 1741-Mrs Ruperta HOWE

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Re: James Howe, and son? Joseph Howe
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 February 11 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tewilso

you left the chatterbox Before I could say You joseph Howe is on a tree on Ancestry as the Son Of James Howe and Daily With James parents Mother  Ruberta Hughes born 1667 Cumberland

Daughter of
Rupert ( Prine of the Rhine) Wittelsbach Born 1619 bohemia Czech Republic
And
Margaret Hughes Norn 1630 England

There is a lot more and also Pictures of Rupert Margagret and Emanuel Howe

Nadine




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Re: James Howe, and son? Joseph Howe
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 February 11 14:35 GMT (UK) »
Prince Of Rhine Sorry mis typed lol

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Re: James Howe, and son? Joseph Howe
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 February 11 15:04 GMT (UK) »
Dear all,

Thank you very much. However, I do have the information that Nadine and Kimbrey kindly supplied. However, there are no documented source for a link between Joseph and James listed on Ancestry. The Binsted burials are documented apparently at Binsted's Church of the Holy Cross.

There seems to be an oral history that Joseph was born in 1727 in England (do not know where) to James Howe. Joseph Howe, in search of adventure in the New World, immigrated to Massachusetts in 1749 or there about to be with his 2nd-cousin General George Augustus Howe, 3rd Viscount Howe, who was subsequently killed at the Battle of Ticonderoga in 1758. Supposedly Joseph then migrated south to Virginia, and made the acquaintance of George Washington during an early survey of western Virginia (this is documented in the US Library of Congress records). I wonder if there might be any British Army records showing Joseph Howe as under General Howe's command?

James Howe's sister (Joseph's aunt), Sophia Arabella Howe, died early from a broken heart that was documented in the Letters to and from Henrietta, the Countess of Suffolk.  I suspect that Joseph was in need of some fresh air from society scandals (his grandmother mother Ruperta was also the illegitimate daugther of Prince Rupert of the Rhine). Supposedly he made two voyages to Massachusetts before staying permanently and marrying one Eleanor Dunbar, whom he met on board and who originated from Scotland. In fact, one Howe family is descended from Henry Carey, illegitimate son of Henry VIII and Mary Boleyn.

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Re: James Howe, and son? Joseph Howe
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 February 11 15:13 GMT (UK) »
I might add that the current Earl Howe, wishes me to keep him informed of any significant progress. Nice man.

Thomas

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Re: James Howe, and son? Joseph Howe
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 February 11 16:13 GMT (UK) »
The tree has Joseph as Born 1727 Effingham Surrey Leatherhead Might Help

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Re: James Howe, and son? Joseph Howe
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 February 11 21:29 GMT (UK) »
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there are no documented source for a link between Joseph and James listed on Ancestry.

I would be looking for some evidence in primary sources if at all possible.

None of the sources that I can find for the Baronets Howe indicate that James had a son.  Did he leave a will?  Is Joseph mentioned in any other wills?  Apart from family hearsay or stories, do you have any evidence of the connection between James and Joseph?

The 1709 burial in Binsted is for Emanuel How(e).

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