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Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 00:14 GMT (UK) »
Look what I found on the familysearch beta site. A possible for your George but it costs to get the image. Unfortunately nothing for Dora or Charles and Annie K.
1860 US census
Name, George Simmons
Residence , Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Ward,  Burrell Township
Age, 31 years
Estimated birth year, 1829
Birthplace,  England
Gender: Male
Page: 85
Family number - 600
Film number- 805195
DGS number - 4293563
Image number - 00234
NARA number - M653


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Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 00:18 GMT (UK) »
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Can we be sure the maiden name is "Webster" despite it saying 'formerly'? Because the Birth Certificate has: Name, surname and maiden name as Dorothy Savory Simmons which led me to believe Simmons was her maiden name
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The column heading asks for "the name, surname and maiden name of mother."    In other words her name at time of registering the birth and her maiden, so in this instance she is now Dorothy Savory Simmons but prior to marriage was Webster.
Goodness only knows why she changed to Dora or whether she really was Dora and changed to Dorothy.

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Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 01:25 GMT (UK) »
Look what I found on the familysearch beta site. A possible for your George but it costs to get the image. Unfortunately nothing for Dora or Charles and Annie K.
1860 US census
Name, George Simmons
Residence , Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Ward,  Burrell Township
Age, 31 years
Estimated birth year, 1829
Birthplace,  England
Gender: Male
Page: 85
Family number - 600
Film number- 805195
DGS number - 4293563
Image number - 00234
NARA number - M653

1860 United States Federal Census
about George Simmons
Name: George Simmons
Age in 1860: 31
Birth Year: abt 1829
Birthplace: England
Home in 1860: Burrell, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Post Office: Murrysville
George Simmons 31
Caroline Simmons 30
Sarah A Simmons 9
Emma Simmons 2

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i wonder if Caroline could have been his first wife?
cornwall -> earl, may, scott
essex -> simmons

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Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 01:56 GMT (UK) »
Umm Burrell is very close to Pittsburg so it could be your George but if it is what happened to Caroline, Sarah and emma?
Did Caroline die and Sarah and Emma go to their maternal grandparents and dad remarried and came back to England.
We are raising more questions than answering them :)

Can you find this family in US 1871 census in an effort to eliminate them as your George?


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Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 02:23 GMT (UK) »
Umm Burrell is very close to Pittsburg so it could be your George but if it is what happened to Caroline, Sarah and emma?
Did Caroline die and Sarah and Emma go to their maternal grandparents and dad remarried and came back to England.
We are raising more questions than answering them :)

Can you find this family in US 1871 census in an effort to eliminate them as your George?

Not really looking good

1870 United States Federal Census
about George Simmons
Name: George Simmons
Birth Year: abt 1829
Age in 1870: 41
Birthplace: England
Home in 1870: Allegheny, Armstrong, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: .
Household Members:    
Name Age
George Simmons 41
Caroline Simmons 40
Sarah Ann Simmons 18
Emma Simmons 13
Mary Jane Simmons 10
George Simmons 7
John Simmons 4
William Douglas 24
Elisabeth Douglas 21
Alfred James 30
Andrew Quinn 28
Thomas Davis 35
Martin Mullin 23
Elizah Heath 23
William Quinn 30
Joseph Howard 19

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However, the 1881 Census in England lists Charles Simmons' birthplace as Allegheny which is interesting as this is where the census is taken from.

Also:

1880 United States Federal Census
about Geo. Simmons
Name: Geo. Simmons
Home in 1880: Gilpin, Armstrong, Pennsylvania
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Birthplace: England
cornwall -> earl, may, scott
essex -> simmons

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Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday 16 March 11 04:24 GMT (UK) »
Great, now we know that this is not your George and family as he couldn't be in two places at once. Your George is in England in 1871 and 1881 with children born in Essex.
The US George could be a cousin or something which is why your George went there in the first place but will we ever know. 
It's a pity the US census doesn't say when the US George immigrated. can you find this family later than 1880?

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Re: George E. Simmons & Dora Turner/Charity Waller of Essex
« Reply #51 on: Tuesday 02 December 14 21:38 GMT (UK) »
George E. Simmons, and George M. Simmons are two different people, which you've definitely figured out by now.  George M. (for Michael) was married to Dora.  They had two children in the US (Charles W., and Annie Kate), and then returned to England where they had additional children.  Two sons migrated to North America, Arthur to Canada, and Charles William (the oldest) to Minnesota.
George M. was a farmer in Chigwell, but also a musician, and sang in local church choirs; he may have had a stint at the Victoria and Albert on an amateur basis.  Son Charles W. was a well-known theater organist for silent movies throughout the early part of the 20th century. 
I, too am very curious to know the circumstances of their travel to the US and return.  It might have been to avoid the Civil War, and / or to take over the family farm in Chigwell.  There is a "Simmons Lane" that is related.  Just conjectures.   Does anyone know what the middle initial "E" stands for in the other "George Simmons."  I have an uncle George (son of Charles W.) whose middle initial was also "E."  So, there may be a relationship.