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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 10 March 11 22:56 GMT (UK) »
Also the bride's address is 25 Clopton St, is there any way of looking up records of who lived at an address in a specific year, or if 25 Clopton St was a residential address or a boarding house or something?

Trade/Street/Telephone directories, Electorial rolls etc...

For Lancashire (years 1911 and earlier) try: Historial Directories

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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 10 March 11 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Also I just had another look at William and Elsie's parish marriage record, and where it says the name and occupation of the bride's father there is a line through his occupation which could imply the bride's father was deceased at the time of the marriage in 1921.   What do you think?

Whether a father is cited as deceased or not depends if the couple were asked the question (or volunteered the information)
CLICK HERE (see the second entry on the page) for an example of a marriage performed by Joshua Lord (Curate) the same person that performed William Henry Harrop and Elsie William's marriage service. (A further example - CLICK HERE - see father's occupation column (second entry))

Never take anything for granted - people didn't always tell the truth - for example illegitimate people have been known to invent a father at the time of their marriage to appear respectable.

It does seem odd that Elsie names a father but doesn't give an occupation for him.

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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 10 March 11 23:22 GMT (UK) »
Hmmm so I see.   :(



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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 10 March 11 23:26 GMT (UK) »
Also remember Elsie had 2 sisters Alice May (Allie) and Mabel, and Mabel was a witness at Elsie's wedding.

Perhaps the father may have left the family and they didn't know?  But they did know his name.

I just can't seem to find the family in the census anywhere either.

Frustrating.

Also I looked at those historical street directories (thank you) and it does appear in 1911 that 25 Clopton St was a residence although not for the Williams family.


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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 10 March 11 23:46 GMT (UK) »
The closest baptism I've found so far is:

Elsie Williams d/o Edmund Alfred Williams & Caroline
Baptised: 20 Oct 1897 at St. John, Manchester, Lancashire
LDS Source Film Number: 2148039

Possibly the same family as in reply #6

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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 10 March 11 23:52 GMT (UK) »
Marriages Jun 1886
Innies  Lewies  -  Chorlton 8c 1054
Quarrie  Annie -  Chorlton 8c 1054
Rivers  Caroline -  Chorlton 8c 1054
Williams  Edmund Alfred - Chorlton 8c 1054

Hmmm... Who married who? (Not on Lancashire BMD yet)

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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #24 on: Friday 11 March 11 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Lewies Innies married Annie, on 1891 with 2 year old b Garstang Lancs
Census Ref RG12/3461/90/31

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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #25 on: Friday 11 March 11 00:15 GMT (UK) »
Welcome back Keyboard86.  :)

Do either of you think it is possible that the family in post 6 might be the family before both Allie and Mabel were born? 

And do you think it would be the Caroline RIVERS and Edmund Alfred WILLIAMS marriage that RonOne found?

Maybe "Edward" and "Edmund" have been mixed up along the way?


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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #26 on: Friday 11 March 11 00:19 GMT (UK) »
Welcome back Keyboard86.  :)

Do either of you think it is possible that the family in post 6 might be the family before both Allie and Mabel were born? 

All I can say at the moment is, it's possible. We'll see what else we can find to either confirm or disprove it.