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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #36 on: Friday 11 March 11 01:27 GMT (UK) »
Agreed - very possible - and I can't see any addresses on that link you sent me.   Partial it is.


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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #37 on: Friday 11 March 11 02:09 GMT (UK) »
Three options:




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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #38 on: Friday 11 March 11 02:16 GMT (UK) »
Okay.

Option 1 is out    (too far away)
Option 2 I will do
Option 3 will be Plan B


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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #39 on: Friday 11 March 11 03:38 GMT (UK) »
This may just be a coincidence but in 1901 we have:

John Harrop - Carrier with Van & Porter - Residing at 6 Jordan Street, (St Matthews, Central Manchester)
- Census ref RG13/3746/158/43
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Edward A Williams, Lurry driver - Residing at 34 Beaufort St, (St Matthews, Central Manchester)
-  Census ref RG13/3746/188/41


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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #40 on: Friday 11 March 11 04:01 GMT (UK) »
So are you saying that both families (at least the father's of William Henry HARROP and Elsie WILLIAMS) lived near each other and the families went to the same church.

Also do you recall that both William and Elsie were the witnesses at William's sister Alice's wedding in 1919 - which is 2 yrs before William and Elsie were married.  Perhaps the families knew each other for several years?


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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #41 on: Friday 11 March 11 04:35 GMT (UK) »
Both these streets still exist - CLICK HERE

CLICK HERE to see where St Matthew (1819-1950) was located.

CLICK HERE to see where St John (1769-1931) was located.


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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #42 on: Friday 11 March 11 05:08 GMT (UK) »
AB St Matthews is the Ecclesiastical Parish, not necessarily the church they both could have attended, and yes looking at the census refs, they are very close neighbours.

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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #43 on: Friday 11 March 11 09:34 GMT (UK) »
The Edmund Williams who married Caroline appears to have been son of a Registrar, so should have known how to write his own name. Maybe the "Edward" on the 1901 census was the enumerator's error.

1861 Church St, Malpas RG9/1891 ED1 FOL10 PG14
John Williams, Head, Mar, 45, Registrar of Births & Deaths & Spirit Vaults, Cheshire Malpas
Arabella do, Wife, Mar, 37, , do Neston
Mary Ann do, Daur, un, 16, Daur, do Malpas
Elizabeth do, Daur, un, 14, Scholar, do do
Alice do, Daur, , 13, do, do do
Robert do, Son, , 11, do, do do
Catharine do, Daur, , 8, do, do do
George Fredk do, Son, , 6, do, do do
Edmund Alfred Bulkeley do, Son, 4, do, do do

1871 Church Street, Malpas RG10/2798 ED1 FOL7 PG3
John Williams, Head, Mar, 56, Registrar of Births & Deaths, Cheshire Malpas
Arabella do, Wife, do, 47, do wife, do Pargate (probably should be Parkgate)
Alice do, Daur, Unm, 23, Dressmaker, Cheshire Malpas
Robert do, Son, , 21, Gardener, do do
George Fredk do, Son, , 17, Saddler & Apprectice, do do
Edmund Alfred do, Son, 14, Scholar, do do
Arabella Emily do, Daur, -, 8, do, do do

1881 Church St Malpas RG11/2872 ED1 FOL4 PG2
John Williams, Head, Mar, 66, Registrar of Births & Deaths, Cheshire Malpas
Arabella do, Wife, do, 56, do wife, do Parkgate
Alice do, Daur, Unm, 33, Dressmaker, do Malpas
Alfred do, Son, Unm, 23, Grocer's Asst, do do
Emily do, Daur, Unm, 16, Pupil Teacher's, do do

So it appears that this chap was in the habit of being known by his middle name.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932
« Reply #44 on: Friday 11 March 11 10:10 GMT (UK) »
1891 RG/3237 ED10 FOL32 PG12
36 Beaufort St Manchester

William Beale, Head, M, 44, Lurry Driver, Lancashire Manchester
Harriet do, Wife, M, 38, , Warwickshire Birmingham
Harriet do, daur, S, 18, Tailoress, do do
William do, son, , 15, Cart boy, do do
1891 RG/3237 ED10 FOL32 PG13
Richard Beale, son, , 13, Cart boy, Lancashire Manchester
Elizabeth E do, daur, , 11, , do do
George A do, son, , 8, , do do
Edward A Williams, Lodger, M, 31, Lurry driver. Cheshire Malpas
Caroline do, do, M, 28, , Warwickshire Birmingham
Emily do, do, , 1, , Lancashire Manchester
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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