Richard Thomas/Jane Jenkins m. 1886 LLANELY

[kerlyn2001]

Hello from Boston!

I am looking for any information on Richard Thomas and Jane Jenkins,
recorded in the Oct - Dec 1886 Marriage Index, Vol 11a pg 1214.
They emigrated from Llanely to PA, USA in 1887 and were living in
Yorkville Borough, Skuylkill, PA, USA by 1900.

I believe Richard (possibly David Richard) was born in Oct 1856-8,
Jane was born in Jan 1868 (this from US census data).
Children in US: Thomas, Mar 1887; David O, Sep 1888, etc.

I am interested in any info, including ancestors for each.  Many thanks!!

-K-

[osprey]

Hello and a warm welcome to Rootschat! 

Do you have a copy of the 1886 marriage cert to confirm names & occupations of both fathers?

You can get a copy from the GRO

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

There are several possible Davids of around the right age, only 1 David R but he is in Carmarthen. There is this possible Richard but without details of father, it's guesswork

1861 Caeperson bach, Llanelly RG9/4113 folio 38 pg 12
John Thomas head mar 49 formerly smelter
Jane wife 40 b. Llanddarog
John son 18 labourer in copper works
William son 14 mason's labourer
Evan son 11 potter
Mary dau 7
Richard son 3
all born Llanelly apart from Jane

1871 5 Oxen St, Llanelly Rg10/5467 folio 18 pg 27
Jane Thomas head widow 51 housekeeper b. Llanddarog
William son 24 coal miner
Evan son 19 puddler at tinplate works
Mary dau 18 opening plates at tinplate works
Richard son 13 pickling at copper mill
all born Llanelly apart from Jane

 
Possible for Jane in 1881
5 Cemi, Hengoed, Llanelly RG11/5375 folio 98 pg 20
Thomas Jenkins head mar 46 colliery carpenter b. Llanedy
Ann wife 46
William son 21 coal miner b. Glam, Llan... (?)
Rhys son 19 labourer on railway
Robert son 15 smith at colliery
Jane dau 13
James son 12
John son 9
Margaret Ann dau 7
Gomer son 2
all born Llanelly except where otherwise stated

But as said before, you really need the marriage cert to be sure you're following the right people.

[kerlyn2001]

Thank you for your advice.

I ordered the marriage certificate; it should be here in some weeks...
The family story is that Richard was a miner in the US, but I cannot verify
this as the 1890 US census was destroyed and the earliest record I have
for him is 1900.

Would it be bad form to cross-post this request under "Thomas/Jenkins
m. 1886" in case there are Jenkins researchers out there?  I'd identify
it as a duplicate of this thread, of course...

Thanks again, -K-

[osprey]

you could just change the title of this thread. Duplicate posts have been known to annoy some people.  Have you put your names in the surname interest table - under surnames on front page of site?

Post the details from the marriage cert on this thread when it arrives, including the names of witnesses as these can help.

 

[kerlyn2001]

Here's a facsimile of their marriage certificate:

+~~~~~~~~-------------/
| 1886.  Marriage solemnized at the Register Office in the District of Llanelly
+-----+--------------+------------------+-----+-----------+------------+----------------------/
| No. | When Married | Name and Surname | Age | Condition | Profession | Residence
+-----+--------------+------------------+-----+-----------+------------+----------------------/
| 99  | 12 Oct 1886  | Richard Thomas   | 25  | Bachelor  | Haulier    | 1 Christopher St
|     |              |                  |     |           |            | St Pauls, Llanelly
|     |              |                  |     |           |            |
|     |              | Jane Jenkins     | 18  | Spinster  | -----      | Oddfellows Inn
|     |              |                  |     |           |            | Station Rd, Llanelly
+-----+--------------+------------------+-----+-----------+------------+----------------------/
| Married in the Register Office
|
| This Marriage    Richard Thomas              in the     David Davies
| was solemnized   Jane Jenkins                Presence   Wm. Thomas
| between us,                                  of us,
+~~~~~~~~-------------/

/---------------------------------------------------+
   in the Counties of Carmarthen and Glamorgan      |
/+---------------------------+----------------------+
 | Father's Name and Surname | Profession of Father |
/+---------------------------+----------------------+
 | John Thomas               | Farmer               |
 |                           |                      |
 |                           |                      |
 | William Jenkins           | Coal Miner           |
 | (deceased)                |                      |
/+---------------------------+----------------------+
   by Certificate Before me                         |
   A D Davies Registrar                             |
                                                    |
   Mansel Rees                                      |
   Superintendent Registrar                         |
/---------------------------------------------------+

Any additional information that you can provide re: ancestry for these
individuals would be greatly appreciated.  Based on the above, I
believe Richard's birthdate would have been Oct 1860-1 and Jane's
was Jan 1868.

I'd be happy to reciprocate with info from this side of the pond if I can.

Regards, -K-

[osprey]

ok, going by the address, this should be Jane's family in 1891

Odd Fellows Inn, 4 Station Road, Llanelly RG12/4494 folio 51 pg 2
Ann Thomas head widow 48 inn keeper
Eleanor Thomas dau 21 professor of music
Evan Jenkins son 19 tinplate worker
Margaretta Jenkins dau 17 barmaid
William Jenkins son 16 tinplate cooker
Elizabeth A Thomas servant 17 general servant b. Pembrey
all born Llanelly except where stated

I'll go & search some more ....

[osprey]

1881 Blue Anchor Tce, Llanrhidian higher, Glam RG11/5368 folio 116 pg 19
William Jenkins head mar 39 coalminer invalid 2 years curvature of the spine
Ann wife 39
David son 19 tin plate factor (should be factory?)
Elizabeth dau 17 tin plate factor cleaner
Jane dau 13 servant home
Ellenor dau 11
Evan son 9
Margaretta dau 7
Willie son 4
Arthur son 7 months
Morfydd dau 7 months
all born Llanelly except the twins born Llanrhidian

Twins make birth regs easier to find
Arthur Jenkins dec qtr 1880 Gower vol 11a pg 641
Morfydd Jenkins same ref
One of these certs would give you Ann's maiden name

death regs
Arthur Jenkins 0 sept qtr 1881 Gower vol 11a pg 346
Morfydd Jenkins 4 dec qtr 1884 Llanelly vol 11a pg 485
so family back in Llanelli by then

[osprey]

1871 Heol Hen, Berwick, Llanelly RG10/5464 folio 95 pg 23
William Jenkins head mar 29 coal miner
Ann wife 28
David son 9
Elizabeth dau 7
Mary A dau 5
Jane dau 3
Elen dau 1
all born Llanelly

possible marriage
William Jenkins dec qtr 1861 Llanelly vol 11a pg 828 with Anne Evans on the same page

[kerlyn2001]

osprey,

Many thanks.  I found a photo online:
http://llanelli-history.co.uk/pubs_oddfellows.htm

It's odd that Ann is listed in 1891 as "Ann Thomas"
and that the oldest daughter living with her is also
called Thomas while the others are Jenkins.  There
seem to be additional connections between the Thomas
and Jenkins families.  The addresses for Richard and
Jane appear to be but 2-3 blocks apart.

Thanks, -K-