Emma WARREN? Emma HEATH?

['Trish']

My great great aunt Rose Warren married my Great x2 uncle Thomas Austin in South wales.  I am trying to find info on my Great x2 Aunt Rose Warren.
I have that she was born c1873 in, family legend says, Salisbury.
Now, I have found a William Warren born 16 Apr 1797 married to a Emma Heath marriage 22 Apr 1861 South marston.  But I am looking for Rose's father/step father William Hazell.  I have found a marriage dec q 1879 at Highworth to Emma Warren.
Could Emma have been married twice, once to William Warren (therefore her maiden  name is Heath), then to William Hazell (with the name Emma Warren?)
I have Richard and his wife Ann on 1861 Census for a private house in Hinton Parva, in 1871 Census Richard and Emma and the children are at Highworth & Swindon Union Workhouse, Richard remains there in 1881, Emma is now Emma Hazell (married 1876 Highworth to William Hazell) and she is living with the children Thomas now 16 and Rose 8 at a private house in Stratton St Margaret.
I am told that Rose's father was a station master at Salisbury railway station.
Would some kind sole help a muddled fellow researcher?

 

regards Trish

[rosie99]

Hi

I am a bit confused 

This is the only Rose Warren that I can see that fits the bill in 1881 but she isn't in a workhouse

Emma HAZELL   Head   Widow    40   born Bourton, Berkshire occ  Laundress     
Thomas WARREN   Son      age   12   born Blunsdon, Wiltshire     
Rose WARREN   Daur      age 8 born   Stratton St Margarett, Wiltshire     
James JONES   Boarder   Unmarried age 37   born Little Dean, Gloucester occ   Railway Labourer     


Private House, Stratton St Margaret, Wiltshire
RG11   Piece 2015 folio 118 page  36

Is this the one you are talking about?

Rosie

[suzard]

1871 she is in the workhouse

1871
Highworth & Levinden Union Workhouse
Stratton St Margarets Wilts
Richard Warren Married 71 St???rth Wilts
Emma Warren widow 37 Marston Wilts
Alice Warren 4 Marston
Ann Warren 6 Marston
Thomas Warren 6 mths marston
RG10 1879 77 4

but ages and p.o.b. don't fit with 1881 census
Suz

[suzard]

Could this be Emma's first marriage

Jun qtr 1861
Highworth
on same page
Emma Heath
William Warren
5a 13

Suz

['Trish']

It is confusing, I am confused!  But I have Richard Warren in the workhouse with Emma Warren 1871.  Then in 1881 he is still in the Workshouse age 81.  All the children have the Warren name.  Alice born 1867, Ann born 1865, Rose born 1873 and Thomas born 1870.
When trying to find the marriage of Emma Warren to William Hazell Dec q 1876, but by 1881 census she is a widow.  William Hazell died June q 1879 age 53.
When searching for a previous marriage on the only I found was Emma Heath to William Warren Jun q 1861.  But by 1871 she is a widow.
By 1881 Emma is no longer in the Workhouse but living at Stratton St Margaret with Thomas & Rose.
The Richard Warren with her in the 1871 Census at the workhouse I thought to be her father in law.  I have found him in the 1861 Census with his wife Ann surname unknown at a private house at West Hinton age 60 (born Hinton Parva) Ag Lab, wife Ann born Bishopstone age 70.
What I am trying to work out is, Is Emma Heath, then Emma Warren, then Emma Hazell?
Also why was Richard Warren in the Workhouse in 1871 whilst his wife was still alive?  She is deceased by 1881, as Richard is described as a widower.
I am also after the surname of Ann who married Richard Warren.
What I am also trying to acertain is Rose Warren who married Thomas Austin adopted her siblings son and daughter after their parents died.  I told it was Thomas Warren's children. 
regards from a very muddled Trish

Thanks for info, would welcome any input.
regards Trish

[suzard]

it seems Emma Heath married William Warren
William died and then Emma married William Hazell

Richard Warren may not be father  in law - he may not even be a relative -no relationships are given

I will try to find William Warren -as we know he was 21 when he died -we at least have a possible y.o.b.
edit =sorry don't know he was 21 when he died - but am looking for a death c.1872-1881
Suz

['Trish']

If William Warren died before 1867, then none of the children are his.  Emma didnt have much luck with husbands as the first died possibly 10 years after marriage and the second William Hazell after 3 years of marriage. 

From a grateful Trish x

['Trish']

There is a William Warren d Sep q 1863 at Highworth.  Could this be him?

regards Trish

[suzard]

think this may be a possible solution to your Puzzle???

It looks like Emma's first husband may have been a lot older than her??

1861
Cottage side of road
Highworth
William Warren head widower 64 Thatcher Bourton
Emma Frampton Lodger U 23 ag lab Bourton on the Hill
RG9 1268 57 11

there is a marriage (previously posted )
Jun qtr 1861
Highworth
William Warren
Emma heath

It looks like Emma heath was going by the name of Frampton in 1861
this looks like her in 1851
Bourton
james Frampton head M 54 ag lab Bourton
Eliza wife 38 Bourton
Jacob son 15 Whip??marsh Wilts
John son 3 mths Bourton Berks
James Heath wife's son 15 ag lab Bourton berks
EMMA HEATH wife's daugher 12 ag lab Bourton Berks
HO107 1687 66 15

so it seems a strong possibility that at the time of 1861 Emma was using stepfather's surname -or William Warren gave her name to enumerator and he knew the family as Frampton???

Death reg FreeBMD
William Warren
age 73
1870
Highworth
5a 3


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Suz