EWING

[snowwhite77]

I have found my great great grandmother Mary Jane EWING died 1893, St Peter, Angus age 32.

She was married to James BELL and had a small child Robert BELL b 1892.
Not sure where either James or Robert were actually born athough i do assume Robert was born in Angus also.

I would like to know anything about this family at all as i am having real trouble finding them. Unfortunately because the names are so commonn, searching scotlands people without a lot of information is proving to be very costly, not to mention frustrating!

Appreciate anything at all!!
Regards
Amanda

[kenjo]

Hello snowhite,
I have done some searching for you..... ??
And what I found doesn't add up to what you say.......??
Can you explain what exactly you doo know......??
If you bought the death cert ,, what did it say??
I found a different husband and no marriage as you say.

Need to understand everything, to help ??
Regards
kenjo

[snowwhite77]

Hi Kenjo,

I have got sons marriage cert (Robert BELL). He married in 1914. Both his parents were deceased at this point.
I have searched scotlands people for his mother and the only death matching is a Mary Jane EWING age 32 (died 1893) St Peters, Angus. The others were 2 infants and an elderly woman.
I am stuck with his fathers side so far. I have also searched scotlands people census (costing a fortune) and found no matches for this family either,
His fathers name on marriage cert states James BELL. I am a bit stuck really and needing a good nudge in the right direction.
Appreciate your interest and would be very grateful if you can help at all!

[kenjo]

Hi Swowwhite,
It is deffinetly, a puzzle,
I am surprised that you didn't go ahead a buy the Death cert of Mary Jane Ewing?
I don't know if this is your girl.
But it says that Mary Jane Bennie Neilsen maiden name Ewing, was married to Charles Neilsen, [Secretary of National ? Seamens and Fishermans Union].
I can't find a marriage to a James Bell or this marriage, either,
But this is the births of Ewing [soundex] and Mary J*
and you can see there arn't many choices that would be old  enough to have a son born when you say.[9 is the one on the death cert]. was he 22yrs?when he married. So the other choice is that Robert was Illegitimate, and, if so was a naughty boy, for not saying.
The other thing is where did he marry? and has Benny, Bennie, Johnston, been used in any of his childrens names
Also  Jane may not have been used at all, just to mane things harder.


Birth Results (Statutory Register Index Births & Christenings (1855-1904))
Criteria : Surname: "EWING"; Use Soundex; Forename: "MARY J*"; Year From: 1855; Year To: 1904
 
No.   Year   Surname   Forename   Parent Name   Sex   District   County   GROS Data
 
1   1900   EAMES   MARY JANE      F   ANDERSTON   LANARK   644/10 0886
2   1901   EWENS   MARY JANE GORDO      F   LASSWADE   MIDLOTHIAN   691/00 0064
3   1857   EWING   MARY JANE      F   SANQUHAR BURGH   DUMFRIES   848/01 0029
4   1882   EWING   MARY JANE      F   MILTON   LANARK   644/08 0140
5   1883   EWING   MARY JANE      F   PORTSOY   BANFF   153/02 0005
6   1885   EWING   MARY JANE      F   PORTSOY   BANFF   153/02 0030
7   1893   EWING   MARY JANE      F   LARBERT   STIRLING   485/A0 0098
8   1902   EWING   MARY JANE      F   HAMILTON   LANARK   647/00 0379
9   1861   EWING   MARY JANE BENNY      F   DUMBARTON   DUNBARTON   496/00 0143
10   1877   EWING   MARY JANE HARKN      F   GREENOCK EAST   RENFREW   564/02 0546
11   1896   EWING   MARY JANE TAYLO      F   KELVIN   LANARK   644/09 0753
12   1893   EWING   MARY JESSIE      F   STRANRAER   WIGTOWN   899/00 0085
13   1869   EWING   MARY JESSIE RAM      F   PARTICK   LANARK   646/02 0575

 Regards
kenjo

[snowwhite77]

Hi Kenjo,

Thank you so much for all your effort, This really is strange.
Robert BELL did indeed marry when he was age22. He married in Old Kilpatrick Parish, Dunbartonshire. So the birth of Mary Jane EWING in Dumbarton is interesting. As far as i know, none of the names were used in any of their childrens names. My gran was called Mary Ann (daughter of Robert BELL). I know she had an older brother but know nothing about him as sadly he was handicapped, locked away and never really mentioned, (i only found out about him last month).

I will have a  further look at all the things you have sent to me. If you have any further thoughts/advice please feel free to pass them on as i am very stuck!
Thanks again
Amanda

[kenjo]

Hi Amanda,
Now we do not know if this is right.
but ,I will follow the trail, and maybe it will prove that the death , is right or wrong..It doesn't look good.

This is the family of Mary Jane Benny Ewing. in the 1881c

Household:
 Name    Relation   Marital Status   Gender   Age   Birthplace   Occupation   Disability
 Peter EWING     Head     M     Male     46     Grenock, Scotland     Baker     
 Jane EWING     Wife     M     Female     57     Leith, Scotland          
 Mary J. EWING     Daur     U     Female     19     Dumbarton, Scotland     Dress Maker     
 Peter EWING     Son     U     Male     11     Dumbarton, Scotland     Scholar     
 Rose Linder JOHNSTON     Visitor     U     Female     53     Leith, Scotland          

 
Source Information:
    Dwelling     21 Teynham Street
    Census Place   Elswick, Northumberland, England
    Family History Library Film     1342219
    Public Records Office Reference     RG11
    Piece / Folio     5054 / 18
    Page Number     29



Mary Jane B Ewing married Carl Sophus Neilsen Sep Q 1884 , in Newcastle, England..


So for this girl to be your Roberts mum, she would have had to had an affair, with a James Bell....

Maybe your girl is the one born in Dumfries.

I think the best bet is to find this Mary Jane Neilsen, in the 1891 c just to prove that she is at home with Carl/Charles.
and that she hadn't run off with James, she still could run off with him after the census, but, you will be narrowing down the feild.
Also you should try and find the Birth of your Robert,
Or find him in the 1901 c,  If this isn't your girl, [above] then she still could be alive in the 1901 c and would be married to James Bell, and she may have married him in England like the other one.

What dod you think?
kenjo

[snowwhite77]

Hi Kenjo,I have studied the entries you sent all day today and showed them to my dad (it's his family). I agree that it must be either the one on Dumbarton or Dumfries. The one in Dumbarton struck a chord because i know that Robert married in Dunbartonshire and in fact lived in Clydebank at the time of his marriage in 1914. I have been to Clydebank library to search the 1901 census for him but didn't find him. Both his parents were deceased at the time of marriage.

When i seached Scotlands people website for Mary Ewings death i tried between the years 1891 (the year before Roberts birth) and 1914 (the year of Roberts marriage) The result was 4, two infants, one 77 year old and the mentioned Mary age 32 in Angus.
Unfortunately my time expired before i managed to purchase the cert.

The trouble locating Roberts birth is his name being so commen ( i can think of 3 Robert Bells iknow now, no relation) and also the fact i am not sure where he was born.
I checked for Dunbartonshire and only had 3 matches, none of which was him.

I do really appreciate you taking time to help me. It is really good to have someone elses fresh eyes and input!
Much appreciated
Regards
Amanda