Ulrich in Kilmarnock

[Canadian1982]

We've had a rumour in our family that one of our ancestors was brought over during the prussian war by his parents and orphaned on a door step to save him from returning to Prussia.  With so many Ulrichs in Kilmarnock this story is quite difficult to verify.  Does anyone have any idea where I could find information regarding orphans or the like?

I've tried census forms but since I"m not sure of the year or address it's difficult for me cross reference these documents.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Gadget]

Hi

The Franco-Prussian war was quite short  1870-71 (Austro- Prussian even shorter - 7 weeks in 1866)

How about this family - the story might have been not quite exact ~

1871
4 High Street, Kilmarnock
GROS Ref - 597 ED 5 P 3

Ullrich
John, 28, coal miner,b.  Bavaria, British subject
Jessey, 24, b. New Monkland. Lanarkshire
John, 3. b Kilmarnock
Andrew, 4 months, b. -do-
Agnes Brown, serv, 12, general servant, b. -do-

By 1881

31 Back Street, Kilmarnock
GROS Ref - 597 ED 2 P 1

Ulrich
John, 38, coal miner, b. Germany (British Subject)
Jessie, 34, b. Airdrie, Lanarkshire
John, 13
Robina, 7
James, 5
Hendry, 3

All children b. Kilmarnock

Also in 1881 but outwith Ayrshire :

Auldearn, Nairn - 121 ED 1 P 16
Henrietta Ullrich,40, Governess, b. Germany


Ships in European ports, The Moravian, ?, Glasgow - Vessels, ED -Moravian, P 166
Jno (John) Ulrich,30, Greaser, b. Hamburg

Monastry, Boleskin & Abertaff, Invernessshire - 92/2 ED 2 P 8
Anton Ulrich, 25, Professor of Music, b. Switzerland


Gadget

[Gadget]

Bit more ~

John Ullrich died in June 1917, aged 73, Kilmarnock

His parents were - Hendry Ullrich, grain miller and Friets (?) m.s. Gensinger. Both deceased

His wife was Jessie Dickson


Gadget

[Gadget]

Interesting - found his marriage cert

10 June 1864, Kilmarnock, C of Scotland

Yojannus (?Johannes) Ulrick, coal miner, bach, 21.

Parents - Hendry Ulrick, gardener, dead and Mary m.s. Auld

Slightly different from the death cert.


Gadget

[Gadget]

I think that this might be him in 1861-

Third Part Cottage, Kilmarnock
GROS Ref - 597 ED 24 P 11

Peter Carruth, head, 28
(Carruth family)
Johannez Ulrigs, boarder, 18, coal miner, b. Germany

Not found anyone so far in 1851 but difficult because of spelling of name and place of birth


Gadget

[Gadget]

By 1891, John and Jessie had 4 more children ~

46 Sandbed (?) Street, Kilmarnock
GROS Ref - 597 ED 29 P 7

Ulrich
John, 48, miner, b. Germany
Jessie, 44,b. Airdrie
John, 23, miner
Robina, 17
James, 15, miner
Hen(d)ry, 13
Louis, 9
Margaret, 7
Janet, 5
Carol, 2

All children b. Kilmarnock

Do any of these names appear in your tree?


Gadget

[Warren1975]

Hi

The info about John is about my great great grandfather, John Ulrich

Gadget -

Concerning the different info on John's marriage and death certs, do you think that the info on the marriage one is more likely to be correct as he was alive then to make sure the right info was on there ?

Also, do you have any connections to the Ulrichs yourself ? or are u researching this just out of interest ? thanks in any case


Below is some info I received from member Bluedoo (Rita), who is also a ulrich by birth and related to John as well :-

Cheers,
Warren

Hi fellow Ullrich, I've been doing family tree for some time but I'm still stuck with when my g  great grandfather arrived in Kilmarnock, family seem to remember Prussia mentioned, anyway here's the tree so far
John married Jessie Dixon 10th June 1864, they had loads of kids
1. Henry b 12th June 1864 died 28th August 1866 from Scarlett fever
2. Margaret b ?August 1866 died 4th September 1866 Scarlett fever
3. John  Storrie born 1868 died 1930
4. Andrew born 27th November 1870 died 1871
all above were born 3 High Street , Kilmarnock
5. Robert born May 11th 1872 died 1873
6. Robina born 8th November 1873 Married 18th April 1893 died 1950
7. James Storrie Ulrich born 9th February 1876 died 1943
all above born 18 High Street, Kilmarnock
8. Henry Ullrich born 14th April 1878 married 17th May 1901 died 1954 this is my grandfather
address 26 High Street
9&10. Louis & Robert Hill Ullrich were twins born 6th June 1881 Louis died 1959, Robert 1882
address 31 Back Street, Kilmarnock
11. Margaret Storrie Ullrich born 20th December 1883 married William Hugh Stitt she died 1970
12. Janet Ullrich 6th March 1886
13. Karl Ullrich born 14th February 1889 married Janet Buchanan 31st December 1912, he was a labourer she a mill worker they resided 101 Titchfield Street, Kilmarnock, these are your g great grandparents Carl died 1970 Janet died 1992
14. Jemima Hill Ullrich 28th June 1892 died 1956
Who are your'e parents,
Regards
Rita
 
 
 
bluedoo     

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Did your Mum stay in Gardrum Place, Onthank because I remember meeting a Jane who went to Kilmarnock Academy, she was the first Ulrich I had met outside our immediate family. Your father's brother John had a son Ian who got this guy to do his family tree and now I have a copy, my brother had 2boys Colin and Brian and Audrey and that's the lot for our side living in Ayrshire they don't appear to be very fertile.  I met your G gran Janet when she lived with her daughter who was married to a McLung, I was starting to trace my family and she could tell me how many children there were and what John was like apparently he came here with his brother but his brother returned home a few years after marrying Jessie he was homesick and went back to the village (Janet said this) where his family lived but neither the village or his family were there and so begins the struggle to find from where he came. 
 
 

[Gadget]

Hi Warren

It's usual for the marriage cert to be more accurate than the death cert - in this case John would be closer to his parents than his son. However, if he left Bavaria when he was circa 3 or 4 years old, maybe he wasn't sure who his mother was 

I've looked for overseas birth registrations/marriages, etc but have not found anything for his parents.  Where did you get the info on him arriving in uk in 1846 as I couldn't find him on the 1851?

If you'd like the certs, send me a Personal Message(PM)  with your e-mail.

I don't think that I'm related but you can never tell with my SW Scotland ancestors


Gadget

[Warren1975]

Hi Gadget

I'll send you a PM.

I'll check my records about the 1846, could be i meant 1864

Cheers,
Warren