Myrnie Ann CAREWICKHAM

[Shasea]

Thanks Merlin will get a hold of that birth cert and see how I go.

[Shasea]

So now I am very confused. I have Bertha's Death cert. It lists 3 childen Mary 36 years, Alfred 32 Years and Edward 29 years and first husband as James Guigan not carewickham.

Can someone help me I can't find Guigan anywhere could Guigan have been james Carewickham's middle name and they left off the surname. Why wouldn't they have the other kids Christy, Alfred listed and I didn't know about a Edward and the years next to Mary Ann and Alfred don't match up.

[Shasea]

I think I must have the wrong person. On her death cert is say's father John I thought her father was Hans and mother listed also as a Bertha I thought her mother was a Margaret.

[sparrett]

Hi shasea,

Mistakes do happen frequently on Death Certificate due usually to the deficits in the knowledge of the informant.

Now, if you would take the time to type All the Details from the certificate
(That is, the entries in every one of the columns)

Then the helpers may be able to assist further.

It is surprising what a small detail can reveal.

Remember, too that JOHN is a sort of translation for HANS, JANS, JOHAN etc.
It is possible he called himself John.

[sparrett]

Why wouldn't they have the other kids Christy, Alfred listed and I didn't know about a Edward and the years next to Mary Ann and Alfred don't match up. shasea


This is the death of the EDWARD mentioned on the CERTIFICATE.
His age at death gives a birthdate of 1902 which is confirmed by  a digitised document of his ww2 service giving his full name as EDWARD CHRISTIAN JAMES and birth place DUNOLLY.

This tallies with CHRISTY JAS 1902

CHRISTY JAS , I believe is the child of JAMES CAREWICKHAM and BERTHA listed above.

Perhaps he was "adopted " by Mark SOWDEN  as he was young when his father, JAMES died. 

{Though of course..... Edward was born a couple of years before the marriage of BERTHA to CAREWICKHAM....so who can be sure }



SOWDEN Edward Christian
Father Mark
Mother Bertha  HAUSER
Place HEID
Age 67
Year 1970
Reg 7135

Mark died

SOWDEN Mark
Father: Unknown
Mother: Margt BENNETT
Age 54
Place Melb E
Year 1914
Reg.  10763


Sue

[sparrett]

 
At Fawkner Memorial Park

Burial

Myrna Ann Mathews
Aged 32
Location Church Of England: Compartment O Grave 1329. 
Service Date    5/10/1931 

She is alone.

Sue
   
 

[cando]

Information on death certificates only as good as the knowledge of the informant so you need to take all the other information into account before stating you have the 'wrong' death certificate. 

Another birth to Bertha before marriage...
HANSEN Emelia
Father Unknown  Mother Bertha HANSEN
At Maryborough  1893  Reg#5582

Cheers
Cando

[Shasea]

Thanks for that extra info, I did a little more searching but I am so confused about it all. Thank you all for your time.

[Shasea]

Hi, I am back again to see if anyone can find a birth certificate for Bertha Maria/Marie Hansen. There was a reference made inn the thread to a Bertha being born to Han and Margaret. I searched along these lines but today I discovered that the Bertha referred to was born in 1871 and died in 1876 so this is not her. I can't find anything on Bertha Hansens birth apart from that one and she died aged 5. also noted on Bertha Hansen/sowdens death cert it has her mother listed as Bertha unknown.

Nothing is appearing to piece together with this family. If Myrnie/Myrna was born Mary Ann wouldn't her marriage and death cert have to be Written as Mary Ann if in fact Mary Ann is Myrnie. Ahh so confusing but there is no birth records of a Myrnie Carewickham.

Can anyone find anything else to give me hope.