William BARTON, Albion Farm, Woodville, NSW

[Kiwicol]

NLA Trove, Newspapers has the ticket of leave for a William Barton
GOVERNMENT GAZETTE. FRIDAY, JULY 19.
TICKETS OF LEAVE.
The undermentioned prisoners of the crown have obtained tickets
Paterson.
Barton William, John 4;

John I (4) 08 06 1832 NSW 07 02 1832 Downs 122 200 198 Sam J Lowe Jas Lawrence

But only ones i can find are
BARTON William Heroine 1833 37/1656 Ticket of Leave [4/4114; Reel 928] District: Maitland; Tried: Warwick assizes
BARTON William John 1837 44/1920 Ticket of Leave [4/4191; Reel 953] District: Paterson; Tried: Northampt ass

Not sure if any of these are that of my ancestor, his death certificate said he was born in England and arrived in Austalia about 1839, the informant did not name his parents, or where in England he was from

Any of you out there able to unravel this lot?

[majm]

From a muster 1837

William Barton was aged 26, convict, arrived 1833 ex Heroine and was assigned to R Howe in Sydney
so perhaps he was the one holding a ToL 37/1656 to permit him to move from/to Maitland and from/to Sydney.

What date is on that d.c. for your likely chap .... does it give you the burial details ... perhaps there's a headstone ... or there may be an index of old headstones .... 

William Barton a convict arrived on the Barossa in 1839  and received a TL 44/809 in 1844 and then his Certificate of Freedom .... 20 Dec 1845 .... Could he be the chap on the d.c.   

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx   (Convict Index)

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Hi Col

A bit more information would help:

Date and place of death, place of burial
Age at death
Any mention of wife?
Children?
Who was the informant - sounds as though he did not know William all that well.

Anything else you have................................

Judith

[Dundee]

BARTON William John 1837 44/1920 Ticket of Leave [4/4191; Reel 953] District: Paterson; Tried: Northampt ass

16 July 1844
Prisoner Number 37/359
William BARTON
John (4)
Master: DIXON
1837
Tried Northampton Assizes (This seems to be a mistake and should be Nottingham)
10 March 1836
Sentence: Life

NSW Index of Conditional Pardons
BARTON   William   -   John   1837   49/371   CP   1 Feb 1849   [4/4464]   790       441-442   

18 Nov 1847
Convicts worthy of a conditional pardon
William BARTON, John (4), 1837, Life

Return of Pardons 1849
William BARTON, John (4), 1837, Life, tried Nottingham, 10 March 1836

List of Convicts embarked in the ship John (no number)
William BARTON, tried Nottingham Assizes, 10 March 1836, Life

Convict Muster 1837
William BARTON, aged 22, John (4), 1837, assigned to Mc Lailey/Mr Lailey/M Lailey at Patterson's River

I had a look at the records of a few other convicts on the same ship and they are all noted as John (4) 1837.  I believe this is the voyage:

John II
Dep:  30 09 1836  Sheerness
Arr: 07 02 1837  NSW
260   embarked
255  arrived
Master: Adam DIXON
Surgeon: Chas INCHES

Newspaper reports don't seem to assign a number, it is just the John.  The John I made 4 voyages, and this ship appears to be the John II, so this voyage should be John II (1) 

Unfortunately (for you) William was pardoned so there is no certificate of freedom which would give more info.  You would need to see his convict indent to find a native place, but I don't see that it will help. 

Debra 

[Dundee]

Have you tried using the "check and verify" service offered by NSW transcription agents?  You can have the "father's birthplace" field checked for each of the children born after 1856 for a reduced fee.  Then you cross your fingers and hope that they don't all say "England" 

Debra 

[~MERLIN~]

There is a reference number for the CP of William BARTON of the John (II) 1837:

Name: BARTON William      
Ship: John II          
Date of Pardon: 18 Nov 1847
No. of Pardon: 1833

[Dundee]

18 Nov 1847

List of one hundred and eighty convicts transported from the United Kingdom who are recommended by His Excellency the Governor of New South Wales as worthy to receive the indulgence of Conditional Pardons, available anywhere save in the said United Kingdom.

On this page are:

1828 James ABRAM, Heroine
1829 Mary ARNOLD, Burrell (2)
1830 John ARTHUR, Lady Kennaway (2)
1831 Joshua BALL, Speke
1832 Jonathan BALLARD, Mermaid
1833 William BARTON, John (4)
etc....

These were recommendations only and these convicts' pardons were not approved until 1849.  The wheels of government turned slowly and I have seen convicts who died before their pardons were approved.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d1q/

It does look like the ship name John (4) has been identified as being incorrect as some modern day indexing shows the convicts onboard as arriving on the John II.

Debra 

[majm]

Following up on part of reply #1

The William BARTON, ex Barossa in 1839 was tried 3 Dec 1838 at Lancester. 

Have we eliminated that chap or is he still under consideration, as Kiwicol mentions the d.c. points to arrival about 1839 ..


Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Re the 1839 BAROSSA

Online at http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/info/fh/convicts  and from that index it notes

William Barton as one of 336 convicts transported on the Barrosa, departing 31 July 1839.
and that he was convicted at Lancaster Quarter Sessions for a term of 7 years.

The Barossa was despatched to NSW

The Index notes the Source as Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 91, Class and Piece Number HO11/12, Page Number 79 (41)

Sorry, I don't often get to capital cities, so I don't know when I would be visiting any of the State Libraries or the National Library to then look at that microfilm for you.

Cheers,  JM