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"Rutlandshire": did it exist?
« on: Tuesday 10 May 11 11:41 BST (UK) »
In the census transcripts I've come across "Rutlandshire".

Was it once called that, or is it yet another stupidity on the part of enumerators at the time or transcribers more recently?

Similarly Dorsetshire, Somersetshire, Devonshire
-- but never Cornwallshire or Kentshire or Surreyshire!
Bagwell of Kilmore & Lisronagh, Co. Tipperary;  Beatty from Enniskillen;  Brown from Preston, Lancs.;  Burke of Ballydugan, Co. Galway;  Casement in the IoM and Co. Antrim;  Davison of Knockboy, Broughshane;  Frobisher;  Guillemard;  Harrison in Co. Antrim and Dublin;  Jones around Burton Pedwardine, Lincs.;  Lindesay of Loughry;  Newcomen of Camlagh, Co. Roscommon;  Shield;  Watson from Kidderminster;  Wilkinson from Leeds

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Re: "Rutlandshire": did it exist?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 May 11 11:57 BST (UK) »
According to Wikipedia:

Historically it was also known as Rutlandshire, but in recent times only the shorter name is common.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutland

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Re: "Rutlandshire": did it exist?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 May 11 19:00 BST (UK) »
As in the cases of Dorset and Somerset I believe?
Ayres Brignell Cornwell Harvey Shipp Stimpson Stubbings (all Cambs) Baumber Baxter Burton Ethards Proctor Stanton (all Lincs) Luffman (all counties)

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Re: "Rutlandshire": did it exist?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 June 11 16:54 BST (UK) »
Traditionally in Wales the only county that in English did not have the 'shire' suffix was Anglesey.   However its name in Welsh is Sir Mn - sir being Welsh for county or shire - also Sir Drefaldwyn (Montgomeryshire), Sir Benfro (Pembrokeshire) etc, etc.

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Research:  
Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.  
Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire. 
Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall
Foster  in Liverpool
Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire
Mawby, Popple in Rutland
Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset
Willis in Oxfordshire
Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire

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Re: "Rutlandshire": did it exist?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 June 11 18:17 BST (UK) »
Isn't the IoM Mona?
What does Mn mean?

Bagwell of Kilmore & Lisronagh, Co. Tipperary;  Beatty from Enniskillen;  Brown from Preston, Lancs.;  Burke of Ballydugan, Co. Galway;  Casement in the IoM and Co. Antrim;  Davison of Knockboy, Broughshane;  Frobisher;  Guillemard;  Harrison in Co. Antrim and Dublin;  Jones around Burton Pedwardine, Lincs.;  Lindesay of Loughry;  Newcomen of Camlagh, Co. Roscommon;  Shield;  Watson from Kidderminster;  Wilkinson from Leeds

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Re: "Rutlandshire": did it exist?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 June 11 15:39 BST (UK) »
I believe Anglesey is in fact Ynys Mon, but what it means you would have to ask a Welsh speaker.
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Re: "Rutlandshire": did it exist?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 June 11 17:08 BST (UK) »
You're quite right and it means Isle of Mn - ynys being Welsh for island (isle).   The name first appeared in the Roman era as Mona.   I must have been thinking of something else at the time..........................

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Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Research:  
Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.  
Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire. 
Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall
Foster  in Liverpool
Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire
Mawby, Popple in Rutland
Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset
Willis in Oxfordshire
Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire

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Re: "Rutlandshire": did it exist?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 June 11 15:30 BST (UK) »
I believe that it was considered by the Romans to be the home of the Druidic religion, and in consequence ravaged by them. Ynys Mon, that is not Rutland(shire).
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Re: "Rutlandshire": did it exist?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 June 11 15:42 BST (UK) »
Yes it exists, that is why we at Anguline Research Archives use it in the listing for the counties.
see-
http://anguline.co.uk/
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