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PI N.K., Hereford - Where Could This Be?!
« on: Sunday 15 May 11 12:24 BST (UK) »
Ancestry has transcribed a birthplace on a census record as PI N.K., Hereford.  I'm not familiar with the area and was wondering whether anybody could throw any light on where that might be? 

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Re: PI N.K., Hereford - Where Could This Be?!
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 May 11 12:26 BST (UK) »
Place Unkown

NK is the shortened version of Unknown used on census returns and I would say that PI is actuallu Pl.
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Re: PI N.K., Hereford - Where Could This Be?!
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 May 11 12:30 BST (UK) »
N.K. = Not Known

I think too that PI should be PL _place

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Re: PI N.K., Hereford - Where Could This Be?!
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 May 11 12:38 BST (UK) »
Hi there
Found a place this morning on the net which gives small villages and defunct hamlets from about the 13th centuary onwards. I presume its a place something like that?
Try looking at  A Vision of Britain through time. You might find a small place on there

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Re: PI N.K., Hereford - Where Could This Be?!
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 May 11 13:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the responses.

I've just had a look at the original image again and it says something, I'm sure of it.  Looks like 'Hereford (Phank).'  I've attached it and would be hugely grateful if somebody could have a look.

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Re: PI N.K., Hereford - Where Could This Be?!
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 May 11 13:49 BST (UK) »
Is this the only census in which the relevant person appears? If not, what birthplace is given for him/her in other census years?

Please can you provide the census reference for the extracted entry?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: PI N.K., Hereford - Where Could This Be?!
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 May 11 13:57 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately yes, this is the only census of any use.  (It's the 1851 census, the person died in 1853, and the 1841 census only indicates whether people were resident in the same county they were born in).

The reference  is: 
HO107/1581
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Re: PI N.K., Hereford - Where Could This Be?!
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 May 11 14:07 BST (UK) »
So that others can find her, she's Elizabeth MACKINTOSH, 76, enumerated in Camberwell.  I see from the entry immediately below hers (her daughter Catharine MACKINTOSH) that Catharine's birthplace was given as "London (Ph n.k.)".  In those circumstances the bit in brackets for each of them must surely be something along the lines of "Parish not known".

"Ph" is an old abbreviation for Parish, and N.K. was often used the the censuses to denote "Not Known".
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: PI N.K., Hereford - Where Could This Be?!
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 15 May 11 14:10 BST (UK) »
Are you sure?  I'm not convinced they do in fact say the same thing, even though the transcriber evidently thought they did.  Daughter Catherine was definitely born in the parish of St. Martin in the Fields (this is very well documented).
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