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Re: Shumacker Johnson Wedding 1844 Cork
« Reply #54 on: Saturday 13 February 16 13:07 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for this. never assume anything  ;D

Can anyone tell me if marriage bonds/settlements for Cork are searchable online?

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Re: Shumacker Johnson Wedding 1844 Cork
« Reply #55 on: Saturday 13 February 16 14:27 GMT (UK) »
SP has an inventory for a Noble Schumacker 1911 coppersmith of Glasgow who died intestate. Might be worth following this name back.
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Re: Shumacker Johnson Wedding 1844 Cork
« Reply #56 on: Saturday 13 February 16 15:06 GMT (UK) »
I don't have access to my notes at the moment but I have a feeling that this was an unmarried son of Henry and Catherine. Their first born was called Henry ( a direct ancestor) and their second son Noble after presumably Catherine's father and also her brother.

Just checked SP and I have the cert, registered by his brother Hermann, parents Henry and Catherine

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Re: Shumacker Johnson Wedding 1844 Cork
« Reply #57 on: Monday 15 February 16 12:04 GMT (UK) »
1871 Census, 72 Craighall Rd Maryhill,Lanarkshire,Scotland.

Henry Shumaker 48,  b 1823,    sugar boiler.
Catherine ,44,  b 1827 Ireland.
Henry 25, b 1846 Ireland;
Mary 23, b 1848 Ireland.
NOBLE 21,  b 1850 Coppersmith apprentice.b Ireland.
Fredrick 19.  b 1852  England.
Daniel 18, b 1855 apprentice grocer b England
Marlin 13 b 1858 Greenock Renfrewshire.
Kate 9, b 1862 Glasgow.Lanarkshire.
Herman 7,  b 1864  Glasgow.

This shows the families whereabouts a bit clearer.
Also clarifies Sugar Bakers post re Noble Shumaker death Glasgow 1911.
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Re: Shumacker Johnson Wedding 1844 Cork
« Reply #58 on: Monday 22 February 16 21:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for this

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Re: Shumacker Johnson Wedding 1844 Cork
« Reply #59 on: Thursday 04 May 17 13:14 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for all the help I have had re the Schumackers.

Still unable to find them on 1881 census.....driving me crazy.

Henry & Catherine Shumacker in 1877 at Craighill Rd Glasgow (also 1872 and 1875)

Henry, b 1819 Hanover, died in Liverpool in 1883. Occupation sugar boiler. Catherine b 1825 Cork.

Obit says he died in 1883 at 55 Hopwood St, formerly of Hospital Street Glasgow.

In 1881 two sons, 22 and 28, lodging at 44 King St, Govan.

By 1881 there was a third generation living with their mother Agnes, father Henry at sea. I have traced them.

But where were Henry & Catherine, the grandparents in 1881?

If this is going over old ground I apologise. I am concentrating solely on trying to find Henry b 1819 and Catherine b 1825 between 1877 and 1883 and am running out of ideas.

Apologies, I have just looked at an old post in beginners re 1881 census and we couldn't find it then.

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Re: Shumacker Johnson Wedding 1844 Cork
« Reply #60 on: Thursday 04 May 17 17:52 BST (UK) »
Am unable to find them in 1881.England Wales Scotland

How about they went to Ireland for a couple of years,after 1877 Glasgow, or even United States.

Appears to me that by this stage in Henry Schumackers life he was reasonably well off.

Will Death Duty Registers 1884 Court Liverpool [paid site]
Henry Schumacker 
Cathrne Schumacker Liverpool Widow.

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Re: Shumacker Johnson Wedding 1844 Cork
« Reply #61 on: Thursday 04 May 17 18:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the confirmation of difficulty in finding them.

I have the probate calendar record but have not heard of the death duties.

I also wondered about them returning to Ireland.

Just seems odd them disappearing between 1877 and 1883 with their two youngest children, Kate b 1862 and Herman b 1864

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Re: Shumacker Johnson Wedding 1844 Cork
« Reply #62 on: Thursday 04 May 17 18:11 BST (UK) »
In addition, the probate calendar 1884 refers to, 'in 55 Hopwood St Liverpool formerly of Hospital St, Glasgow'.

This is the first time I have seen Hospital St associated with this family. They were in Craighill Rd in Glasgow in 1877. He was manager of the sugar refinery there.

They had two adult children die in 1877, Mary Wyse (Shumacker) and Daniel Shumacker so who knows what their circumstances were or what took them to Liverpool.

Lots of Shumackers in Liverpool but so far I have not been able to prove a connection since I don't know Henry's parents names ( born in Hanover, married in Cork)