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Need help with location in Bethanl Green
« on: Wednesday 25 May 11 01:30 BST (UK) »
I have the burial entry for Jane Colsen, buried 5 October 1854 in Bethnal Green, St James the Less

Under Abode - it looks like Redfriars St or Redcross St, Borough. Does anyone know which is correct?

Thanks
Jan
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: Need help with location in Bethanl Green
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 01:57 BST (UK) »
Have a look here to see if anything looks likely:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/lonstr_r.html
(I've got to go out now or I'd give you a hand  ;))

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Re: Need help with location in Bethanl Green - completed with thanks
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 02:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks Ruskie, great site. It came up with Red Cross St Southwark. :-)
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: Need help with location in Bethanl Green
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 06:50 BST (UK) »
St. James the Less, St. James's Road [1842]. Blitzed, restored 1950-1961, still open.
see SAINT JAMES THE LESS, BETHNAL GREEN, SAINT JAMES' AVENUE, TOWER HAMLETS for registers at LMA
Parish is no. 5 on outline map
from:
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/BethnalGreen/outline.htm

It does look like Red Cross Street, but Southwark is on the other side of the river from Bethnal Green - not sure if it would be a likely abode for someone buried in St James The Less. One of the Middx experts may be able to advise you further.

This may not be feasible, but are you able to cross check the address with Jane's husband's death in case they were living at the same place and his is clearer?  :-\ Perhaps even her children's baptisms if they lived in the same street for many years?   :-\


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Re: Need help with location in Bethanl Green
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 08:37 BST (UK) »
Hi

You had the right to be buried (until the churchyards were closed - mostly in the now central London area by no later than 1855/6) in your local parish churchyard. The fact that on her death this woman's address was Southwark should largely indicate a strong connection with the parish of  St James the Less to have been buried there.

However St James the Less was a relatively new churchyard only opened in 1842 (when the church was opened) and it seems it rather touted for business as it had the space to do so, when other churchyards by then were 'crammed full', so in this particular case there may not be an actual connection to the parish.

Always worth refering to the website 'London Burial Grounds' for further information on London churchyards.

http://www.burial.magic-nation.co.uk/bgbethnalgreen.htm

St James the Less churchyard was shut to further burials in 1855. In Southwark (according to London Burial Grounds), St George the Martyr had shut by 1853 and St Olave's and St John's Horsleydown by 1852 and 1853, not sure about the exact date of the closure of St Saviour's churchyard from that source, but the burial register indicates March 1854 (one further burial later probably into a family vault). By this date large civic cemeteries had opened in the area. The right to burial in the churchyard was free (burial service was charged), this was not the case in the civic cemeteries where there were further cost implications.

e.g.

Nunhead in Southwark 1840
West Norwood in Lambeth 1837


One current still open churchyard's regulations (not in such an urbanised area as London).

http://www.stjohnthebaptistcapel.org.uk/Churchyard%20regulations.pdf



Regards

Valda
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Re: Need help with location in Bethanl Green
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 12:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the link to London Burials Valda - I have added it to my favourites.  :)

(and for the explanation about Janes's burial at St James the Less) So you think this is RedCross St in Southwark? What is "Borough"?

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Re: Need help with location in Bethanl Green
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 13:28 BST (UK) »
There is a Redcross Street in St Giles without Cripplegate which is on the borders of the City of London.
East London:
Happe/Hoppe (St. Georges in the East)
Stanley (middle name Thurston)
Rondeau (Spitalfields and Salford)
Jones (Bishopsgate - Thomas, Ostrich Feather Manufacturer)
Wood (London City)
McDermott (Londonderry and Stepney)
Upcraft (Bethnal Green)
Chidgey (Shoredtich)
Grim (Bethnal Green)
Row (Mast makers in Wapping)
Spurden (Stepney and Pancras)
Glibbery (Bishopsgate)

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Re: Need help with location in Bethanl Green
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 16:58 BST (UK) »
"Borough" was and is still  part of Southwark.

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Re: Need help with location in Bethanl Green
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 25 May 11 17:50 BST (UK) »
Some interesting old drawings/prints of Red Cross Street Southwark on this site.
Also if you search under Redcross Street - another couple of pages.
http://collage.cityoflondon.gov.uk/collage/app?service=external/SearchResults&sp=ZRed+Cross+Street

Yorkslass
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