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Elizabeth Thomas nee Jones 1844
« on: Monday 30 May 11 12:18 BST (UK) »
Hi
Looking for Elizabeth Jones my husbands great grandmother before marriage

Elizabeth  married Thomas Thomas on 2/9/1864 at Eglwys Newydd, Cwmystwyth they were both of Llanfihangel y Croyddyn Parish. She was aged 20 and her father was John Jones and living at Henffordd according to the parish register.
I can't find her in any census before her marriage. Can anyone help?

Thankyou
Thomas - Cwmystwyth, Cardiganshire
Morgans - Bronant, cardiganshire
George - Tregaron, Cardiganshire
Pattle, Sale, Osborne, Dyson, Rosbrook, Rutledge - Suffolk
Pearce, Hardy, Riggs, Payne - Dorset

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Re: Elizabeth Thomas nee Jones 1844
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 May 11 22:05 BST (UK) »
possible from 1851

Llanvihangel village, Lower Llanvihangel y Creuddyn HO107/2486 folio 37 pg 51
John Jones head mar 40 general labourer
Mary wife 44
John son 19
Anne dau 17
Evans son 14
isaac son 11
Elizabeth dau 7
Abraham son 2
all born Cardiganshire

1881 Henffordd, Llanfihangel upper RG11/5448 folio 54 pg 7
John Daniel head widower 70 labourer with 7 1/2 acres
Abraham Jones son 31 lead miner
Elizabeth Jones grand dau 19 housekeeper
Mary Anne grand dau 10
all born Llanfihangel upper
the next house is Pobty occupied by Thomas Thomas, his wife Elizabeth & 6 children. Is that your Elizabeth?
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Elizabeth Thomas nee Jones 1844
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 May 11 22:24 BST (UK) »
family is Daniel in 1861

Henffordd, Llanfihangel y Creuddyn upper RG9/4198 folio 63 pg 18
John Daniel head mar 51 lead miner b. Llanbadarn fawr
Mary wife 55
Isaac son 21 lead miner
Elizabeth dau 17 ? in a garden
Abram son 12
Mary Morgans niece 8 b. Penparcau
all born Llanfihangel y Croyddyn except where stated

1871 Henffordd RG10/5566 folio 67 pg 21
John Daniel head mar 60 farmer servant b. Llanbadarn
Mary wife 64
Abraham son widower 22 lead miner
Mary Morgans niece 17 b. Llanbadarn
Elizabeth Jones grand dau 9
Mary Anne Daniel grand dau 9 months

No idea what is going on with the surnames here. Unless he was called John Daniel to differentiate him from the many other John Jones around.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Elizabeth Thomas nee Jones 1844
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 May 11 22:46 BST (UK) »
possible baptisms of interest from IGI extracted batch C082461 for Llanfihangel Y Creuddyn

to parents John & Mary Jones
John bp 4/7/1831
Evan bp 7/11/1837
Eliza bp 27/1/1844
Abraham bp 13/10/1848

to John & Mary Daniel
Anne bp 14/1/1834

occupation & address in the parish register might help find out if this is the same family.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Elizabeth Thomas nee Jones 1844
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 June 11 11:00 BST (UK) »
Thankyou Osprey for your help.

Have been back to the archives to look at the parish registrar and the Daniel family is definitely not our Elizabeth.

I think Elizabeth daughter of John and Mary living in Llanfihangel village in 1851 is looking very likely and maybe she was lodging at Henffordd in Cwmystwyth at the time of her marriage in 1864.

Pobty is where she was living after marriage and where she died in 1888

Thankyou very much for the advice greatly appreciated


Helen
Thomas - Cwmystwyth, Cardiganshire
Morgans - Bronant, cardiganshire
George - Tregaron, Cardiganshire
Pattle, Sale, Osborne, Dyson, Rosbrook, Rutledge - Suffolk
Pearce, Hardy, Riggs, Payne - Dorset

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Re: Elizabeth Thomas nee Jones 1844
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 June 11 21:02 BST (UK) »
what I was trying & evidently failing to show is that the Daniel & Jones families are one & the same.
1851 has a Jones family including Elizabeth.
1861 surname is Daniel, but sons Isaac & Abraham are the same age as the Jones boys of the same name from 1851.
1881 John Daniel is head of house, but son Abraham is called Jones again. The grand daughter who was Daniel in 1871 is now Jones.

Unless, you can find a Daniel family with sons Isaac & Abraham in 1851?

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Elizabeth Thomas nee Jones 1844
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 June 11 11:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Osprey

Thankyou for pointing me in the right direction. Needs an experts mind and not a beginners sometimes.

After finding and printing the census years and studying them in detail and at length and failing to find a Daniel family in 1851 or the Jones family after 1851 I think you are right.

He was obviously known as John Daniel in Cwmystwyth, maybe that was his fathers name! Something to try and find out on my next archives visit which unfortunately can't be for awhile.

Thankyou very much for the help

Helen
Thomas - Cwmystwyth, Cardiganshire
Morgans - Bronant, cardiganshire
George - Tregaron, Cardiganshire
Pattle, Sale, Osborne, Dyson, Rosbrook, Rutledge - Suffolk
Pearce, Hardy, Riggs, Payne - Dorset

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Re: Elizabeth Thomas nee Jones 1844
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 04 June 11 10:11 BST (UK) »
hope you find some clues in the parish registers., although looking for a John Jones baptism in Llanbadarnfawr is going to take a while. My Thomas family were bad enough.

I've seen instances where the whold family change their surname, but it's odd to see the father with one surname & the son with another in the same household.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb