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A Confusing Birth Certificate
« on: Tuesday 14 June 11 17:49 BST (UK) »
Hello Everyone,

I recently sent away for a birth certificate for my grandfather's father, about whose family he knew absolutely nothing. The man in question was an Edward Cyril Childs (b.1910)

The confusing part comes when looking at the birth certificate. It reads:

Registered in Plaistow, West Ham

When and where born: 18th Feb 1910, 26 Howards Road (I assume this is the same as the modern day street in East Ham)
No entries for the father (I'm assuming this points toward illegitimacy)

And here comes the confusing part:

Name, Surname and Maiden Name of Mother

Caroline Childs a Domestic Servant of 12 Quarry Street Guildford (Is this her work address or where she was born I'm not sure?)

Signature, Description and Residence of Informant

C. Childs, Mother, St Elizabeth's Home, Green Street, Upton Park (I can find no record of this place, is it a work house?)

Any help to try and unravel this would be appreciated.

Thanks

Jamie

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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 17:52 BST (UK) »
Could it be a mother and baby home? 
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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 17:59 BST (UK) »
12 Quarry Street would be her usual address, possibly where she worked if she lived in.
   
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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 18:16 BST (UK) »
St. Elizabeth's was a maternity home run by the church.

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Scroll down 'till you see ACC/2201/A2/2/1
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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 18:17 BST (UK) »
See this about 26 Howards Road:  http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cats/23/3990.htm  "26 Howard's Road in 1904 allowed for 12 in-patient beds, which increased to 20 in 1911 with the acquisition of no 28. ".

12 Quarry Street Guildford is visible on Google Maps and is a small three storey terraced house - quite probably her work address.

Here's some information about St Elizabeth's Home  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=074-acc2201&cid=-1#-1  "ACC/2201/A2/2/6 report of meeting of diocesan secretaries of London, Southwark, St Albans and Canterbury to consider establishing a special maternity home to replace St Elizabeth's Home, Upton Park, [c Jan 1914];"

So I'd guess the Home was for the later stages of pregnancy, Howard's Road for the birth itself and her normal working address was Quarry Street :)

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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 18:18 BST (UK) »
Hi


Southwark Diocesan Council for Wel-care, 1970-; Rochester Diocesan Association for the Care of Friendless Girls, 1894-1905; Southwark Diocesan Association for the Care of Friendless Girls, 1905-1914; Southwark Diocesan Association for Preventive and Rescue Work, 1914-1932; Southwark Diocesan Council for Moral Welfare, 1932-1970

ACC/2201/A2/2/6 report of meeting of diocesan secretaries of London, Southwark, St Albans and Canterbury to consider establishing a special maternity home to replace St Elizabeth's Home, Upton Park, [c Jan 1914];

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=074-acc2201&cid=-1#-1

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http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=13396&inst_id=118&nv1=search&nv2=


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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 18:27 BST (UK) »
Wow!

Thank you everyone for your lightning fast responses...

I finally think I understand the mystery of the different addresses. I guess the route to go to try and find out more about the family is to check the Guildford connection.

Thanks Again

Jamie

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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 18:40 BST (UK) »
Or the 1911 census might help establish Caroline's origins?

Did Edward Cyril stay with her do you know?

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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 18:49 BST (UK) »
Well from what I can see, Edward does not appear on the 1911 Census. Also, not knowing anything else about Caroline makes her very hard to pin down.

The only thing that my Grandfather knows is that his background upset his father. Supposedly Caroline and two of Edward's sisters died together when a bomb hit their house during WWII but I cannot find any records matching this either.

Any help any of you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

It's real detective work!

Thanks