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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 19:01 BST (UK) »
well, some assumptions might be made about Caroline - most likely aged twixt 15 and 30, linked to Surrey and/or West Ham...

Theres a candidate in Plaistow, West Ham in the 1901 census born c1879, (K)naresboro', Yorks.

By 1910 she could well have been in Service in Surrey - people were very mobile it seems, and of course the census being only a snapshot on one night in 10 years ....

RG13/Piece: 1575 Folio: 42 Page: 14 @ 131, Whitwell Road .... parents Richard & Annie.

Births Jun 1879 
 
Child  Caroline    Knaresbro'  9a 104



Hmmm, just extended marriage search done earlier back as afar as 1901, and this appeared - most prob the girl in the 1901 census then. (In fact the FREE INDEX shows her as Mrs Walter Thorp, born c1879, Naisboro, Yorks)

Marriages Dec 1902 
 
CHILDS  Caroline    W. Ham 4a 494   
Rayner  Thomas James     W. Ham  4a 494   
Thorp  Walter Frederick     W. Ham  4a 494   
Wright  Edith Frances     W. Ham  4a 494


Turning to Edward Cyril - I had wondered if he took a stepfather's name, as I too can't see him on the 1911 FREE INDEX.


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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 19:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission indexed civilan deaths in the Second World War

http://www.cwgc.org/


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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 14 June 11 22:47 BST (UK) »
Valda, did the CWGC index all WW2 civilian deaths or just some of them?( am straying from original post but just wondered if you knew)

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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 08:37 BST (UK) »
Hi

I think its nearly all but I don't think its all. It can't really be because not all bodies for instance would have been identified (or necessarily even found) e.g. the storm fire of 29th December 1940

'incendiaries dropped on the City of London caused over 1400 fires including six that were classed as conflagrations, one of which covered half a square mile'

If you think it took 16 years to identify the last person killed in the Kings Cross tube fire, and that's with modern science and not in an emergency situation where all resources are stretched past the limit, you can't be sure all bodies found after bombings were ever identified. Because of the numbers killed inquests did not necessarily take place.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jan/22/transport.uk

The London boroughs kept a list of the causalties and that would form the basis of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission list for each area. You would expect where families were killed by a bomb however that would be relatively easy to put on the list from local information supplied by neighbours. They would be known occupiers of the building that was bombed and the rest of their family would know.

If Edward had sisters - half or otherwise would he know something of them? Their surname for instance that would allow a search for a possible marriage for Caroline.



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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 13:09 BST (UK) »
SvenJJ,
looks as though Edward Cyril Childs survived. Died aged 72 Sept q 1982 North Cleveland 3 2408. Date of birth 18th Feb 1910. His death certificate may give details of wife/children. He may even have left a will detailing family.

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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 14:19 BST (UK) »
Hello again guys,

Just to clarify, my grandfather (who is still alive) is Edward Cyril's son. His father never spoke of his family which is why I am so interested to find out more. Edward Cyril, although born in London, moved to the North East of England during WWII. He apparently later heard news that his mother and two sisters (we know nothing at all about the sisters and all we know about the mother is the information on the birth certificate).

A little more on Edward Cyril, he served in the Merchant Navy (we believe starting arount 1924 as a cook or steward) and was sunk twice during WWII before being sent home with burn injuries.

But that is literally about all we know...

Thanks

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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 14:28 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this is Walter Thorp and why Edward is "Childs" not Thorp

Deaths Dec 1908 THORP    Walter    43    W. Ham    4a   68
Ireland, Co Antrim: Kerr; Hollinger; Forsythe; Moore
Ireland, Co Louth: Carson; Leslie
Ireland, Co Kerry: Ferris
Scotland, Perthshire/Glasgow:  Stewart
England, Devon/Cornwall: Ferris, Gasser/Jasser/Jesser, Norman

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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 14:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Fifer,

Well I don't think Walter could ever be Edward's father, he died in Dec 1908 yet Edward was born in February 1910.

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Re: A Confusing Birth Certificate
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15 June 11 14:36 BST (UK) »
Found this one and he's more likely
1952 Jun quarter
THORP    Walter F    72    Essex S.W.    5a   154
Ireland, Co Antrim: Kerr; Hollinger; Forsythe; Moore
Ireland, Co Louth: Carson; Leslie
Ireland, Co Kerry: Ferris
Scotland, Perthshire/Glasgow:  Stewart
England, Devon/Cornwall: Ferris, Gasser/Jasser/Jesser, Norman