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Re: bracegirdle family name
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 30 June 12 19:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone.
Have got these-
1881-
4h/10c Park Lane(next door to 355 Park lane ) Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
    William Bracegirdle- domestic gardener 38 Elizabeth A. Bracegirdle 28 William Bracegirdle 7 George Bracegirdle 5 Charles Bracegirdle 3 Thomas Bracegirdle 3 Joseph Bracegirdle 1

1871 -
 355 Park lane Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
    Edmund Massey 69 Mary Massey 76 William Bracegirdle 27 gr son

1861
355 Park lane Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
    Edmund Massey 60 Mary Massey 66 Thomas Okell 15 gr son

1851
Meg lane Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
    Edward Massey 49 Mary Massey 53 William Okell 32 son  John Massey 26 son  William Okell 8 lodger Thomas Okell 5 gr son

1841
soss moss Nether Alderley, Cheshire, England Edmund Massey 35 Mary Massey 40 Ellen Massey 10 Eliza Okell 9 Joseph Okell 8

Edmund and Mary were both widowed at the time of their marriage-
1837 26 June
Marriage to Mary Okell
    Prestbury, Cheshire, England
    widowed marriage to Mary Okell witnesses were William Leigh and Sarah Okell
Have been trying to find okells or massey married to bracegirdle ,nothing yet its driving me round the bend !!!!!!!



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Re: bracegirdle family name
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 30 June 12 20:46 BST (UK) »
I cannot see any immediate connection, but will throw this family into the mix because of the coincidence of names.

In my husband's tree I have a Sarah Okell Massey bpt 19 Jan 1834 at St Thomas Heaton Moor Stockport, daughter of William Massey (bn 1795, died after 1861) & Mary Turner (bn 1798, died between 1851 & 1861)

I have assumed the "Okell" came from the Turner side of the family, as one of Sarah's brothers has his paternal grandmother's maiden name as a second name, and another has Turner as a second name
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Re: bracegirdle family name
« Reply #20 on: Friday 14 September 12 17:15 BST (UK) »
Hi
I'm still having trouble trying to trace any of the relatives of the Massey's
Can anyone help please???

1816 22 Oct
Marriage to John Okell
    Over, Cheshire, England

1827 1 Jul
burial of John Okill

   
1832 Jul
birth of Eliza
    Daughter of Mary Okell widow born july 19 1832 old withington (viewed at macclesfield library)

1837 26 Jun
Marriage to Edmund Massey
    Prestbury, Cheshire, England
    widowed marriage to Mary Okell witnesses were William Leigh and Sarah Okell

1841 6 Jun
Residence
    Alderley, Cheshire, England
    soss moss Nether Alderley, Cheshire, England Edmund Massey 35 Mary Massey 40 Ellen Massey 10 Eliza Okell 9 Joseph Okell 8

   
1851 30 Mar
Residence
    Meg lane Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
    Edward Massey 49 Mary Massey 53 William Okell 32 John Massey 26 William Okell 8 Thomas Okell 5

1861 7 Apr
Residence
    Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
    Edmund Massey 60 Mary Massey 66 Thomas Okel 15

1871 2 Apr
Residence
    355 Park lane Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
    living with husband edmund a gardener and grandson william bracegirdle labourer Edmund Massey 69 Mary Massey 76 William Bracefieldle 27

   
1881 3 Apr
Residence
    355 Park lane Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
    Mary Massey 86 Thomas Okel 35 gr son Thomas O. Sawyer 10 grt gr son


Does anyone know of this family???

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Re: bracegirdle family name
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 15 September 12 16:38 BST (UK) »


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1881 3 Apr
Residence
    355 Park lane Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
    Mary Massey 86 Thomas Okel 35 gr son Thomas O. Sawyer 10 grt gr son

Did you note the entry above this family was William BRACEGIRDLE

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gr son Thomas O. Sawyer 10 grt gr son

When he died his address was given as Gawsworth New Hall / John Okell was a game keeper/, William Bracegirdle is shown as a gardener, maybe it may be worth looking at the Estate records in the area to see where they were employed... Capesthorne / |Tatton / etc.

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Re: bracegirdle family name
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 16 September 12 09:51 BST (UK) »
Hi
Thanks for looking at my message.
I had noted that William Bracegirdle was living next to the Masseys in 1881 as this is the only other record i can find for him at the moment i thought that this line of enquiry was the most logical . i've been looking for months obviously in the wrong place . i'm not sure where and how to look for estate records.
will keep trying.

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Re: bracegirdle family name
« Reply #23 on: Friday 26 October 12 12:09 BST (UK) »
This is my husband's Bracegirdle line:

Name: Thomas Bracegirdle
Christen: 2 Feb 1727 Northenden, Cheshire
Death: Oct 1768 Northenden, Cheshire
Burial: 21 Oct 1768 Northenden, Cheshire
Marriage: 2 Oct 1754 St Wilfrid's, Northenden, Cheshire (Northenden is now in Greater Manchester)
Spouse: Sarah Whitelegg
Christen: 2 Feb 1727 Northen Etchells, Cheshire
Burial: 21 Oct 1768 St Wilfred's, Northenden, Cheshire
Father: James Whitelegg

Children:
1: William Bracegirdle
Christen: 12/26 Feb 1755 Northenden Of Gatley, Cheshire
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2: Margaret Bracegirdle
Christen: 24 Apr 1757 Northenden Of Gatley, Cheshire
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3: Alice Bracegirdle
Christen: 6 May 1759 Northenden Of Gatley, Cheshire
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4: Thomas Bracegirdle
Christen: 3 Feb 1761 Northenden Of Gatley
Spouse: Elizabeth Lucas
Marriage: 9 Mar 1784 St Mary's, Stockport, Cheshire
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5: Sarah Bracegirdle
Christen: 7 Feb 1763 Northenden Of Gatley
Burial: 19 Oct 1780 Northenden
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6: Isaac Bracegirdle
Christen: 3 Mar 1765 Northenden Of Gatley Parish Registers
Burial: 27 Mar 1853 Northenden Church Yard, Cheshire
Occupation: Weaver
Spouse: Sarah Worsencroft
Marriage: Apr 1792 St Mary's, Stockport by licence
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7: James Bracegirdle
Christen: 10 Jan 1768 Northenden
CHS: Boulderstone, Lomas, Bracegirdle, Worsencroft, Whitelegg, Jones, Simpson, Harding, Walley, Crewe
LAN: Butterworth, Holme, Brierley, Hoyle, Keary, Taylor, Bonney, Winterbottom, Bennison, Roscoe
W/MIDS: Stringer, Gill, Hampton, Hancox, Grainger, Parkes, Bodily, Jeavons, Ellis, Troman
MSX, LON, SRY: Stoner, Russell, Colebrook, Deighton, Husher, Bonney, Knott, Boatwright, Woodman, Smith
CLA: Quinn, Creedy, McGrath, McInerney, Arkins
COR: Lenihan, Connor, Byrne, Welsh<br

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Re: bracegirdle family name
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 27 October 12 14:07 BST (UK) »
Apologies if this duplicates your previous posts somewhat. I've truncated the data to accentuate the timeline and my thought processes/deductions:-
1816 John Okell mar Mary Leigh
1817 William son of John and Mary Okell born and bp
Feb 1827 Emma bp dtr of John and Mary Okell
1827 John Okell bur
1827 Emma Okell dtr of John and Mary Okell bp
1832 Eliza Okell bp. She thus would seem to be the illegitimate dtr of Mary Okell; maybe likewise Joseph (see 1841 census) - though I haven't found his bp yet

1837 Edmund Massey (previously mar to Ann) mar wid Mary Okell

1841 census. Edmund Massey 35 + Mary 40 Ellen 10; also Eliza Okell 9, Joseph Okell 8

1846 Thomas Okell bp [illegitimate] son of Emma Okell (no father named). [Emma would be the dtr of John and Mary Okell].

1851 census. Emma Okell's son Thomas is grandson in Edmund & Mary Massey's household; William Okell 32 b Snelson (bp 1817) in the same household is Mary's son by her marriage to John Okell; 'lodger' William Okell 8 b Wilmslow is a mystery but I guess he might be:-
1871 census. 'grandson' William Bracegirdle 27 b Knutsford in Edmund and Mary Massey's household

(nb 1861 census. Wm Bracegirdle/Okell not satisfactorily found on FindMyPast. ancestry??)

1871 William Bracegirdle 27, father William Bracegirdle, mar Elizabeth Ann Bamford

Significantly, I can't find a William Bracegirdle of similar age, and with a father William, in the 1851 census. So I think this lends weight to his being the William Okell age 8 in Edmund and Mary Massey's household. (I can't be sure but I don't think he's the Wm Okell son of Wm and Martha Bracegirdle bp Aston-by-Sutton 1842 - doesn't 'feel right', wrong part of Cheshire).

1881 Wm (age 38 b 'Macclesfield') and Elizabeth Ann Bracegirdle are living next door to wid Mary Massey 86 + her grandson Thomas Okel 35 + gt gd-son Thomas O Sawyer

John and Mary Okell's known children, mostly bp Chelford abode Old Withington, are:-
William 1817 (abode Snelson)
Sarah 1819
Mary 1823
Anne 1825
Martha 1827
Emma 1827
Mary Okell's illegitimate children:
Eliza 1832
and, conjectural based purely on the 1841 census, Joseph abt 1833

Alas, it doesn't get us any further in establishing who were the parents of William Okell/Bracegirdle, but I reckon he might be the critical link in your Massey/Bracegirdle quest. Possibly an illegitimate son of WB snr by one of the Okell children, who then took his father's surname in preference to Okell? Was either never baptised or maybe non-conformist? Otherwise try BMD, eg:-
Macclesfield 1842-1 19,108 (William Henry Bennison Okell)
Altrincham 1844-4 18,15 (a male Okell)
Stockport 1845-4 19,277 (William O'Kell)
Altrincham 1843-1 XIX,18 (William Bracegirdle)
There are other records for both WO and WB between 1841-1851 but the ones above seem the closest matches. I haven't cross-checked them against parish records for baptisms of WO or WB around the same time.

Happy hunting.

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Re: bracegirdle family name
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 16 October 14 15:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Lyndsey,

Sorry for the intrusion but I came across a public family tree you have submitted for the Percival family from Knutsford. My wife is related to them, so I wondered what your connection is.

Kind regards

Richard

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Re: bracegirdle family name
« Reply #26 on: Friday 15 September 17 20:08 BST (UK) »
Hi
I have some information on Tom Okell born 1846
He was my great grandfather
I also knew Thom Sawyer and also his son Cyril, I am 78 so was quite young when (we called him uncle Cyril) had used to visit us. He then lived in Coventry, and I think he had two daughters
I hope this information is useful