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Schooner Fowlis
« on: Wednesday 22 June 11 08:49 BST (UK) »
Hi. I am trying to obtain a small piece of information relating to the schooner Fowlis which was lost in Feb. 1861 trying to enter the River Tyne, she was driven onto the Herd Sands at South Shields and broken up during a fierce storm.
My info is that she was built on the seaward side of the Fowlis Estate in 1832, am I correct in thinking this was on the Cromarty Firth if so which shore? I am unable to find any map which shows the Fowlis Estate.

Thanks in anticipation

James

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Re: Schooner Fowlis
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 June 11 09:05 BST (UK) »
Hi James

To my knowledge the Fowlis Estate is to the North of Dundee:

http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/273042/details/fowlis+estate+former+factor+s+house/

However, there is a Foulis (Castle and Point) just South West of Evanton on the Cromarty Firth:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dwe/



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Re: Schooner Fowlis
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 June 11 09:14 BST (UK) »
Gnu,
That'll be the one, south of Evanton on the north shore,
many thanks.

James

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Re: Schooner Fowlis
« Reply #3 on: Friday 12 September 14 13:44 BST (UK) »
I have read accounts of the loss of this Inverness registered schooner on the Herd Sands and am interested to know if the crewman George Patience mentioned in these articles died or not. One account had him saved others said that he drowned. Also I am trying to find out if he was from Avoch as I have been looking for a George Patience who was alive in the 1851 census but had died by the 1861 census which was in April that year. There is no death for him on Scotland's People so a death in English waters without a body being recovered may explain that. Also one article named another crew member who was lost as Alexander Jack while others said Alexander Patience. Could anyone shed more light on this please?

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Re: Schooner Fowlis
« Reply #4 on: Friday 12 September 14 14:18 BST (UK) »
George Patience survived the wreck and Alexander his brother was lost and is buried at St Hilda's Church South Shields. grave unknown, a boy Fraser was also lost and is buried in South Shields.
George was born 17.8 1827 d. 17.9.1901 and Alexander was born 11.5.1841 

George Patience married 20.10.1851  to Jane Patience.(her maiden name)
Both  George and Alexander were brothers and from Avoch.

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Re: Schooner Fowlis
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 September 14 13:06 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much James. Because of your information I was able to find both deaths on Find My Past. The image showed both Alexander Patience and Hugh Fraser on page of deaths at sea and I noticed Alexander had first been recorded as Alexander Jack which was crossed out and then Patience written so this must have been an indication of the confusion that existed between the several reports I had read. I have the birth and death records of that George Patience who was rescued but had not realised he was the person involved. The other George I was hoping it might be  married  Mary Sutherland daughter of Donald Sutherland and Jean McIntosh on 19 Feb 1848 in Avoch and in 1851 she was on the Avoch census with their daughter Catherine aged 2 and was named as a 'sailors wife'. By the 1861 census she was a widow living with her daughter at 1 Dunbar street Hopeman. In 1864 she married Donald Main and never returned to Avoch. As it said 'sailor' rather than 'fishermen for George I suppose he could have died anywhere but was hoping that Fowlis incident maybe was him. The other George Patience I am chasing the death of was on the 1871 Avoch census aged 55 with his wife Margaret and family but by his son George's marriage in Oct 1873 is deceased. I have never found a death record for him despite wasting numerous credits. All my George Patiences seem to be disappearing men  . :)

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Re: Schooner Fowlis
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 September 14 20:27 BST (UK) »
peacekeeper I have sent you a Private message

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Re: Schooner Fowlis
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 16:16 GMT (UK) »
The Schooner Fowlis was owned by a Colin Davidson who died in Inverness 1869. Info. is written in a book by a, John Fraser collection Inverness 1905. Colin was born in Cromarty.

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Re: Schooner Fowlis
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 February 18 16:32 GMT (UK) »
There are at least 4 places in Scotland with the name Fowlis or Fowlis
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO3233
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NN9223
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ5511
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NH5864
and there are probably others I don't know about.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith