1851 Census - Simms

[davierj]

Request lookup in the 1851 census for Mary Jane Simms thought to be born around 1839 in Uppingham.   She married George Woolman in Uppingham in 1858.   There is however a Mary Jane Simms birth registered 1838 Dec qtr, St Geo Southwark district.    Any help on the family greatly appreciated.

Dave

[Mort29]

The 1861 census shows her PoB as Uppingham - married to George Woolman c1837, with son John, also born Uppingham ... RG9/Piece: 2251 Folio: 10 Page: 14 - East Langton

wait a bit while we turn the clock back ...


might be her in 1841 - couldnt see her with this 1841 family in 1851 tho'

HO107; Piece 896; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Uppingham; County: Rutland; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 17; Page: 26;
 
William Sims (sic) 39 a Gardener
Mary Sims 37
Sarah Sims 14
Gain Sims 12
Samuel Sims 10
Joseph Sims 7
Mary Sims 5
Thomas Sims 3
Elizabeth Sims 1
 

all state 'born in County'
 

A tad older ... at a stated 17 .... Mary Sims, House Servant born Uppingham

HO107/Piece: 2088 Folio: 367 Page: 11 - Leicester, St Margarets @ 74, Rutland Street

In service to the Gamble Household
 

[davierj]

Thank you for the info.   The 1861 is definitely her.   The 1841 entry I'm not sure about as it puts her birth a little early at 1836 and I know in general the recorders in 1841 were accurate with children's ages.    Shame there's no mention of her in 1851.

Thanks Dave

[Mort29]

Thank you for the info.   The 1861 is definitely her.   The 1841 entry I'm not sure about as it puts her birth a little early at 1836 and I know in general the recorders in 1841 were accurate with children's ages.   

Shame there's no mention of her in 1851.

Thanks Dave

[Mort29]

There's not exactly a dynasty of Sims in Uppingham, so I'd be very sure it was her - age is frequently a couple of years out.

You have to ask is her parents statement of her age in 1841 more accurate than her own in later years - again lots of examples of this, esp if marrying a younger man ...

Curious as to how you know that kids ages were so accurate in 1841 - the Householders (parents) were responsible for completing the census schedules as in all years of the census. Mistrans' creep in for spelling during the copying process into the Enumerators Book (which is what we see online) - ages are less prone to this.


1851 I added - look again at the post above 


Unfortunately the IGI entries for Uppingham only go up to 1812 so you would need to find some on here with access to the actual PRs

[trish1120]

Marriage;
William SIMMS, Bachelor
Mary LEAVERLAND, Spinster
09 March 1827, St Peter and St Paul, Uppingham, Rutland
Witnesses, John SIMMS, Thos AVIS
(Source FreeREG www.freereg.org.uk)

Christenings, Uppingham, Rutland to WILLIAM/MARY Simms;
JANE 12 July 1829
ELIZABETH 12 Feb 1841
(only 2 there sorry)
(Source Familysearch.Org)
+ those 2 are on Familysearch Pilot plus;
SARAH ELIZABETH, 02 November 1827

Trish

[trish1120]

If closely related to Mary Jane I think you need the Marriage Cert to confirm her Fathers name/occp.
There are various Family Trees but none seem to have the 1871 Census where Mary Jane has remarried;

1871 Census
Uppingham, Rutland
RG10/3301/83/19
Alfred JOYCE, 29, Head, Mar, born Bisbrooke, Rutland
MARY J, 29, Wife, Mar, born Uppingham
JOHN T, 11, Son, Scholar, born Uppingham
CHARLOTTE A, 9, Daug, Scholar, born East Langdon, Leicestershire
Sarah A, 6, Dau, Scholar, born Bisbrooke
Emilia, 4, Daug, born Uppingham
Henry, 2, Son, born Uppingham
By 1881 there are extra Children;
George
Mary A
Charles
Alfred is Widowed.

Cant find a Death Reg for her that fits!
Unless Mary J consistantly Marries younger Men and drops her age?

Marriage from FreeBMD;
Alfred JOYCE, Sept 1864, Uppingham, 7a 464
On the same page is Mary Jane WOOLMAN

[trish1120]

OR;
1851 Census
South Backside,
Uppingham, Rutland
HO107/2093/75/50
John SIMS, 43, Head, Mar, Ag Lab/Pauper
Sarah, 33, Wife, Mar
John T, 10, Son, Scholar
MARY I, 9, Daug, Scholar
Ann, 6, Daug
Lewis, 4, Son
Samuel, 2, Son
All born Uppingham except Sarah who is born Caldecotte

By 1861 she is Married to George Woolman with Child JOHN T, born c 1860, Uppingham
RG9/2251/10/14

Death Reg of a Mary Jane JOYCE, Dec 1880, Blaby, 7a 21, Age 40

1861 Census
Meeting Lane,
Uppingham, Rutland
RG9/2308/41/45
Sarah SIMS, 43, Head, Widow, Tripe Dresser, born Caldecott
Cornelia A, 18, Daug, Unm (Ann from 1851 I presume), Occp None
Louis, 15, Son, Unm, Ag Lab
Samuel, 13, Son, Ag Lab
Charles, 2, Son
All Children born Uppingham

Marriage from FreeBMD;
John SIMS, June 1839, Uppingham, 15 1005
Only 1 spouse Sarah WOODCOCK
 

[trish1120]

Sarah WOODCOCK, Christened 18 May 1817, Caldecott, Rutland to LEWIS/MARY
(Source Familysearch.Org)