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Re: Murder in Western Australia
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 28 June 11 10:32 BST (UK) »
Enough for today thanks ........ will follow your leads tomorrow ..... this 'oldie' has got to hit the sack now.
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« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 28 June 11 10:45 BST (UK) »
Sory  to  be  pain, :-[  but  there is nothing as yet to confirm  that William Fox was the younger brother of John Fox..... it would be interesting to know John's age at the murder of his wife who we know was only 15 years old when  they married 1888 if he was born prior to 1862 he was at least 26 years old.


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Re: Murder in Western Australia
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 28 June 11 10:50 BST (UK) »
I could be way off track but .... not found FOX = BERRY

6th May 1855, St Matthew Parish Church, Brixton, Surrey

Thomas FOX, 21, Bachelor, carpenter, of Brixton, son of Henry Fox, Upholster
married by Banns
Mary Ann BAYLEY, 21, Spinster, of Brixton, dau of Jeremiah Bayley, Coachman
Witnesses William Henry FOX and Elizabeth FOX ....

(all four signed)

I am unsure if BAYLEY could be transcribed (or mis-trancribed)  as BERRY, but perhaps just keep a note (just in case)

William born 1862, in WA, so the question is probably when did the family arrive, with at least one child, ? 

JM




There father's  name on  the birth register as it is for a number of  births is JOSEPH

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Re: Murder in Western Australia
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 28 June 11 11:20 BST (UK) »
Sory  to  be  pain, :-[  but  there is nothing as yet to confirm  that William Fox was the younger brother of John Fox..... it would be interesting to know John's age at the murder of his wife who we know was only 15 years old when  they married 1888 if he was born prior to 1862 he was at least 26 years old.


Jenn


There's only the newspaper account from John Fox' trial mentions the brother who was killed in the accident.

But I have not found any mention of the age of John Fox, his occupation, his parents names, his usual address, but I understand that it would that be on the 1888 m.c. and that additional information would be on the 1899 m.c.  .... Perhaps the witnesses at the 1888 m.c. may be family members  ;D, fingers crossed one was a younger brother for John  :)

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Re: Murder in Western Australia
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 00:41 BST (UK) »
Here are some connections attempting to link the man shot accidentally (WILLIAM) to other family members under discussion.

The FITZGERALD ST address which is a garden property and given as the location of the shooting in this description


http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dzk/


Here is an advertisement for the property giving the FITZGERALD ST. address placed by JAMES FOX


http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dzl/



Part of the biographical notes from the trial on JOHN ALEXANDER FOX tell of his father and the connection to the Garden in FITZGERALD ST, Anderson's Creek

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dzm/



Funeral of Mary FOX," mother of JOHN and JOSEPH".
All off to the same cemetery... Referred to as relict of JAMES of the ANDERSON CREEK Garden

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dzn/

It would seem then that the name of the father was JAMES.

Quoting again from the biographical notes in the trial

His father died only a few years ago.


A death is registered for
JAMES FOX
Aged 65
Perth
Yr 1894

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Re: Murder in Western Australia
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 01:57 BST (UK) »
Well Researched and thought out Sue :D

The birth of Wiliam Thomas Fox you found in WA  that matched his age at death  has his parents as Joseph Fox and Merry Berry  who  also had a number of other children in WA.  So  this birth may not be of this particular William Fox.

The death notice of Mary Fox  doesnt note mention  the sons Alexander  who  appears in  the Newspaper articles as John Alexander Fox's brother.   


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CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
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Re: Murder in Western Australia
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 03:09 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Agree with Jenn, so here's my Well Done Sue   :)


Re James or Joseph FOX .... and Mary or Merry BERRY ..... 


Would there be any likely connection to  Adolphus George FOX who married Lavinia Sarah BERRY ON 21 Oct 1855 - Southwark, Surrey 


Re John Alexander FOX birth .....  I cannot find it in England, closest I can find is a John Assiter FOX birth registered second quarter 1860 at Wandsworth.  GRO Vol 1d Pg 398  .....  In other words could "Assiter" be a mis-transcription of "Alexander" .... 

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Re: Murder in Western Australia
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 03:14 BST (UK) »
I agree with you JENN.

However, this marriage has raised a suspicion in my mind!



FOX JAMES
B A RRY MARY
PERTH
REG 752
1854

You will note that the mother of WILLIAM and the other children was MARY B E RRY
and father JOSEPH

Not sure but a bit close I think.

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« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 29 June 11 03:22 BST (UK) »
1861 UK RG9 370 65

(I think taken on 7 April 1861)

Marsh Rd, Battersea
7 Deraleigh Terraces
FOX, household 
Geo Matthew, head, 32, bricklayer b Fulham
Mary Ann, wife, 32, b Chelsea
Wim Thos Albert, son 3 b Chelsea
John Assiter, son 11 months, b Battersea
Frances Jane, dau, 9, b Kensington
Mary Ann, dau, 7, Battersea

Have not found them in 1871 .....

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