Looking for marriages

[polidor]

Samuel Copperwheat and wife Jane nee Speechly had the following children--

John  bc 1833
Thomas  bc 1833
William bc 1836
Robert bc 1838
George bc 1840
Alfred bc 1849
Elizabeth bc 1853.

I can find marriages for John,Thomas,William on Free Reg

Am still searching for the other siblings marriages or not, as the case may be.. However, Elizabeth appears on 2 Ancestry trees married to a George W Dolling. I personally can find no direct proof of this other than a BMD marriage for an Elizabeth CopperWAITE Dec Quarter 1869 to a George W Dolling  Reg.Ampthill.

If someone has access to records that MAY show Elizabeth's marriage it would be interesting to see if it had father's name--'Samuel' and any witness names.

One tree has Eliz CopperWAITE married to George and the other tree has her down as CopperWHEAT married to George.

I'm afraid i always feel a bit 'wary' re info on these trees.

Thank you  from  poli

[anpefa1]

hey poli,
you are probably aware that transcriptions on census etc are littered with mistakes (spellings, names, dates and place of birth).

may i suggest that you trace the 1841/51/61 census copperwheat/waite (i am making assumptions here that you have not already done so) then 1871 for dolling. 
this should help you to define the family line.

check parish records instead of bmd as banns provide the name of the father.

it may be necessary to obtain the cert based on the info you have, understandably an outlay that may not give you a return but you might be able to offload it through ths site.
tony 

[tazzie]

  Hi Poli ...

 Possible for Robert b c1838
  Robert Copperwheat
  Elizabeth Jackson              Amptill 1861 Dec

  Tazzie

[polidor]

may i suggest that you trace the 1841/51/61 census copperwheat/waite (i am making assumptions here that you have not already done so) then 1871 for dolling. 
this should help you to define the family line.

check parish records instead of bmd as banns provide the name of the father.

I have checked some of the CopperWHEAT ones but will double check through CopperWAITE--thank you

Possible for Robert b c1838
  Robert Copperwheat
  Elizabeth Jackson              Amptill 1861 Dec


Oddly enough i was contacted by another Copperwheat searcher who had Robert married to an Elizabeth but the 1871 census shows a Robert married with an 18 year old son and in the 1861 census he was still single --so unless the wife who was older had a child before marrying Robert

Thanks for finding it--appreciate all help with this family.. poli

p.s there are MANY Robert Copperwheats floating about Bedfordshire i find!

[tazzie]

  Hi Poli .....

  He is consistant with born in 1838 Marston on each census even when home with mum in 1861.
 2 possibles for Elizabeth Jackson...
  1861 census for both .....

  Isaac Jackson 20 hd m
  Elizabeth Jackson 26 wi m
   Ada Wooding   dau u 3
  Louisa Jackson  1 month
 RG9/1002 F75 P15
 HOWEVER... 1871 shows this family together still with Isaac as head but interesting that Wooding  name appears with them and IGI shows Isaac Jackson married Elizabeth Wooding in May 1860.
 NEXT we have
 John French hd m 67  marston
 Elizabeth French wi m 56 Biggleswade
  Elizabeth Jackson dau u 26 Marston
 George Jackson g/son u 8 Marston.
  RG9/1002 F 91 P14
 So could George be the 18 year old on 1871 with Robert & Elizabeth?
  John French married Elizabeth Jackson in 1854 in Marston Moretaine. In 1851 census she is the "housekeeper" to John French all children listed as son / dau  but she is not with John French in 1841...however...
  baptism for 2 children one of which is Elizabeth b 1835 states...
  extracted...
  Elizabeth Jackson or French 11 Jan 1835
 father John French
 mother Elizabeth Jackson.
 Maybe help maybe more confusing?

 Tazzie

[polidor]

Hello Tazzie, you've dug up some interesting info here--

The second info re Elizabeth Jackson/French with an 8 year old son George in the 1861 could well be the 2 referred to in the 1871 census with Robert. the 1871 does have the 'son' as an E. Copperwheat but knowing what transcriptions are like the letters G and E could easily be just a hiccup. There are Woodings in the 1871 census also.

I shall look at these myself and i very much appreciate your time spent finding all this.

Half the problem when attempting to follow people in each census is the very fact the the Christian names hardly vary from family to family or generation after generation. My Copperwheats are filled to the brim with Mary Anns , Elizabeths, Roberts and Johns etc.  poli

[tazzie]

  Hi Poli ...

 Chance to catch up and have a look at the other siblings ...

  It seem Elizabeth married Edward William Dolling 28 Dec 1869 as I can see an Elizabeth Dolling born Marston in 1871 married to a William... so he may have prefered his middle name . Elizabeth dies in 1875 and he remarries in 1876.

  George & Alfred are still in hiding but will look agaian after the school run.

 Tazzie

[tazzie]

  Hi Poli ...

 is this Alfred..?
 RG11 /1548 F 93 PAGE 14
 Alfred Copperwait hd m 28 porter Marston
 Sarah                   wi m 24 porters wife Walgrave Norths
 Sarah E                dau u 2                         Northampton
 Helen                    dau u 6 wks                          "   "
 + 1 lodger.
 Vernon St St andrews Northampton.

 A marriage in 1877    Sarah Linnell   Alfred Copperwaite on same page.
 Indexed as Copperwite but clearly Copperwaite on 1891 RG12/1197 F 27 P7
 with another daughter Gertrude aged 1 month.
 Ever growing family by 1901 ..
 RG13/1421 F 103 PAGE 30
  Alfred Copperwaite hd m 51
  Sarah                    wi m 44
 Sarah E                  dau u 22
 Eleanor F                dau u 13
  Evelyn G                dau u 11
 Frank  C                 son u 9
 Alfred J                  son u 7
 Elsie  M                  dau u 2
 William A               son u 1month
  Tazzie

[polidor]

Hello tazzie,

I've wondered about Alfred myself and i had a post on the very subject some time back. I'm 99% sure he is a Copperwheat turned Copperwaite but do not have absolute proof and it's interesting that you have gone down the same route that i did. I have added Alfred + Sarah Linnell to my lot but with question marks attached!!
As for George --died early on or  just hell bent on being difficult.

I've spent hours over the last few days trying to check up on these two men and am in the same place i was months ago

The Alfred who married Sarah Linnell had a son who was involved in a court case and i even sent off for the newspaper article. The printing is very unclear --whoever did the photocopying didn't make a very good job-- but i'm going to dig out the cuttings and go over them again to see if i can find any clues that escaped me before. I will keep you posted
Thank you for your time and interest. It does help when someone else looks for the same things as sometimes little bits of info pop up that weren't noticed by me before.   poli