Randulph Crewe of Chester, Cheshire - related to Sir Ranulph Crewe?

[wilcoxon]

All the following is MAYBE ??

I  am starting to think that Randle Crewe may have been Randolph / Randulph  Crewe .
Details from a online tree.
http://prathergenealogy.com/DB4-11-2010-o/index.htm?ssmain=p3027.htm;

Randulph Crewe clerk,L.L.B.rector of Barthomley, 1795,and of Hawarden,bart. He was born before 1777 at of, Warmingham. He died in 1813.
He married Frances Glynn and had a son named Randulph Crewe.
I believe this son  maybe the father of  your Stephen .

Randulph Crewe /   Frances Glynn

Children   
Charles Crewe
Stephen Crewe
Randulph Crewe
Francis Crewe
Richard Crewe
Selina Crewe b. b 1813, d. 1813
.

So far we have these baptisms. It`s possible  you can`t find a marriage for  Randle / Sarah because it may have been in  Wales. There’s not much on the IGI .

St. Oswald, Chester, Cheshire,  Baptisims
1818 Nov 29. Charles s/o Randalph and Sarah Crewe, Kings St., Gentleman.
1820 May 09. Stephen s/o Randalph and Sarah Crewe, Kings St., Gentleman
04 Jun 1822 Henrietta Crewe d/o Randle Crewe and Sarah
Burial
Charles Crew  aged 4 days .Date: 02 Dec 1818
St. Oswald, Chester, Cheshire Gender: Male




Could this be  Stephen in 1841 but I`m really unsure.
We think he had a sister called Henrietta and a brother Charles from the St Oswalds records, but they seem to have had their ups and downs in life

1841.  Note there is a Hadley in the same household.
Ages are not usually correct in 1841.
Moon Street , St Peters , Birmingham.
James Hutchins 50 shoe -M(aker)  No
Sarah " 50 No
Henrietta Crewe 20 shop woman ? No
Stephen " 21 labourer No
Eliza Hadley 17 shop woman No
Thomas Hadley 6 months Yes.

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No sign of Henrietta in 1851 ?

1851  HO107; Piece: 2043; Folio: 373; Page: 11
Vicarage Longton.
Charles Crewe unm 71 Vicar b Barthomely Cheshire

1861 RG9; Piece: 2098; Folio: 81; Page: 3
Bush Lane  Longdon.
Charles Crewe unm 31 (correct 81 ) Vicar of Longdon b Barthomely Cheshire   
Henriatta Crewe unm 47  neice  landholder b St Oswalds Chester
Joseph Kipping servant 43
Sarah Jackeman 43

The fact that Henrietta is a niece to Charles would make him a brother to her father Randulph / Randle  .
Charles is born Barthomoly, which again ties in with his father
Randulph Crewe clerk,L.L.B.rector of Barthomley.


Nothing on Henrietta until 1881
Class: RG11; Piece: 2567; Folio: 76; Page: 14
1881 Shurdington Road 3 Upper Norwood St Gloucestershire
Henriatta Crewe 67 lodger unm Annuitant  b Chester .

Charles Crewe died in 1864
North Wales Chronicle  June 11 1864
On the 26th ult  ( May)  aged 84 at Longton Vicarage, Worcestershire the Rev Charles Crewe for more than 40 years Vicar of that parish the    eldest and last surviving son of the late Randulph / Randolph  Crewe Rector  of Hawarden .
He left a will , effects under £14,000 proved by Offley Malcolm Crewe- Read of Llandinam Hall. Commander in her Majesty’s navy.

In his time at  at Longton, Charles had been very generous in dating to various  good causes.
In 1843 he donated £1.1.0 to the Hospital for the Insane Poor of North Wales.

There is a will at Hawarden , if I am right then both Charles and your Randle/ Randulph may  be named. 
Randolph Crewe : 1814.
Hawarden Probate Records, 1554-1858
Details   Crewe, Randolph, Hawarden, Flint, Clerk/Rector

                   

[wilcoxon]

I`ve managed to find these on IGI, all submitted.
All children of  Rev Randulph and Frances nee Glynne
Except Charles who we know was born Barthomonley c 1780

Stephan Crewe
Christening:    07 DEC 1782    Hawarden, Flint, Wales

Selina Crewe
Christening:    12 JUL 1784     Hawarden, Flint, Wales

Frances Crewe Female
Christening:    11 FEB 1786     Hawarden, Flint, Wales

Randulph Crewe   
Christening:    04 SEP 1787     Hawarden, Flint, Wales

John Glynne Crewe   
Christening:    19 MAY 1789     Hawarden, Flint, Wales

And a little  more in the papers.

Liverpool Mercury  Friday, November 19, 1813
Rev James Tomkinson is instituted by the Bishop of Chester to the Rectory of Warmingham in Cheshire vacant by the death of the Rev Randulph Crewe

The Morning Chronicle (London, England), Monday, November 25, 1822
We are sorry to record an accident which proved fatal to a son of the Rev Mr Crewe of Hawarden, the young gentleman we believe had been out with a hunting party on the morning of Friday last and was returning home in the evening when his horse, which was becoming very restive threw him. A man going on the road between Holywell and Hawarden a short time after with his cart picked him up, but life was totally extinct. He has left a young wife to lament the loss of an affectionate husband, and the poor of Hawarden by whom he was greatly loved, a kind friend.

So far I can`t trace the name of the son, it can`t be Charles or Randuph,
Stephen Crewe married Priscilla Humphries  28 Jan 1821 Hawarden.
Their son Stephen Crewe  was bapt 22 Dec 1822 Hawarden, it could be him if Priscilla was pregnant, and  so that also  just leaves Richard.

I think you may find some answers in Hawarden Parish registers.

   
 
      

 
 
 
 

[wilcoxon]

Oh dear  now I`ve found this, but we know that this is wrong in some cases as  Stephen married,
Randulph, LL. B., Rector of Hawarden, m. Frances, dau. of Sir John Glynne, Bart.,
and had issue Charles, Vicar of Longdon, Worcestershire, Stephen, Randulph, Richard, and Selina, all died unmarried.

http://www.archive.org/stream/annalsantiquitie02nichuoft/annalsantiquitie02nichuoft_djvu.txt

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[wilcoxon]

I was beginning to think we were getting somewhere with the links of Henrietta, Stephen and Charles Crewe.

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The  burial records are really useful., but you have missed a generation  .

Randolph Glynne Crewe Died 1886 aged 69  ½ years. b c 1819.
eldest son of Randolph Crewe, ( Capt )
Grandson of Rev Randolph Crewe formerly rector of Hawarden.
Gt Grandson of Dr Crewe , Warmington , England.

 His wife  FC Crewe died in 1911 aged 84 so b c 1827

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Then this must be Capt Randolph Crewe  the son of the Rev R Crewe of Hawarden.
Note - he was last of Chester.

Wills held at Chester.
First Name:  RANDULPH Surname:  CREWE
Occupation:  CAPTAIN 58RGT FOOT
Date:  1857
Will:  LAST OF CHESTER

[wilcoxon]

OK, here we go again. I spent some time in the FH centre this morning and looked at Hawarden PRs , some interesting results.

Hawarden Parish Registers. Baptisms
All children of Rev Randulph and Frances Crewe.
1782 Dec 7th Stephen 
1784 July 12th Selina
1786 Feb 11th  Buried 1786 Feb 28th Frances
1787 Sep 4th  Randulph
1789 May 19th John Glynne
1791 Jan 4th  born 1790 Aug 10th Francis Glynne (son)
1792 July 9th Richard Glynne Crewe

Stephen is the son who was killed in the riding accident .
Baptisms.
1821 Dec 27th  Richard son of Stephen. Gent and Priscilla abode Moore.
1822 Dec 27th born 9th. Stephen  son of Stephen, gent deceased and Priscilla.

Hawarden
Marriages. 1821 Jan 28th
Stephen Crewe . gent  B Priscilla Humphreys, junr.  With consent by licence. Abode. Both of Moore.

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Now this is interesting
Burial Hawarden 1821 April 21st
Randulph Crewe, Gent. Capt of 58th Regt Foot, and son of the late Rev R Crewe of this parish.
Abode King Street Chester.
Approx 34 when he died.

Wills held at Chester . Cost £4 to be copied.
First Name:  RANDULPH Surname:  CREWE
Occupation:  CAPTAIN 58RGT FOOT
Date:  1857  Will:  LAST OF CHESTER

Was there an issue with the will, was it not proved till 1857, could this be the reason why Stephen and Henrietta , if indeed they were his  children  were `down on their luck.
 Did something happen in the family, was Sarah shunned
The eldest son Randulph ended up in Australia.

Randolph Glynne Crewe Died 1886 aged 69  ½ years. b c 1819.
eldest son of Randolph Crewe, ( Capt )

GOT HIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Randulph Crewe
All at St Oswalds.
1817 June 15th Randulph Crewe s/o Randulph and Sarah ,
1818 Nov 29. Charles s/o Randalph and Sarah Crewe, Kings St., Gentleman.
1820 May 09. Stephen s/o Randalph and Sarah Crewe, Kings St., Gentleman
04 Jun 1822 Henrietta Crewe d/o Randle Crewe and Sarah .

This last  baptism could have been well after the birth. I think it would be best to try to see the original entry.
The will would definately be worth £4.
Still no sign of a marriage.

[wilcoxon]

A little bit more.
Will of Rev R Crewe ,  can be ordered online.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?queryType=1&resultcount=1&Edoc_Id=227224


I think it may be worth also getting the will  of Charles Crewe died in 1864, if Henrietta was with  him in 1861 and is a `annuitant ` in 1881, then she could have been left something by him, there`s also a chance Stephen was named.
Details on Anc***

On the 26th ult  ( May)  aged 84 at Longton Vicarage, Worcestershire the Rev Charles Crewe for more than 40 years Vicar of that parish the    eldest and last surviving son of the late Randulph / Randolph  Crewe Rector  of Hawarden .
He left a will , effects under £14,000 proved by Offley Malcolm Crewe- Read of Llandinam Hall. Commander in her Majesty’s navy

 About Hawarden,
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20012/20012-h/20012-h.htm

I`ve also had some help with the 58th Foot.
Could the marriage have been in Ireland.
They appear to have served overseas for much of this period from 1798 to 1822.
1815 Ireland
1816 Jamaica
1822 England

Will send a PM.

[wilcoxon]

I found this one , he was only 19.
Date of trial 17 Oct 1837 Warwick , charge of ` larceny before convicted of felony`

 Why can`t names be transcribed correctly, it clear enough to read Randall 

And this is who he was and what happened to him 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=552995.new