nicholas smith

[angelai]

Smith Family
I am looking for Nicholas Smith born 1870 ireland he married Mary Welsh, cannot find
nothing on on SP for this. I have a marriage certificate for their daughter Mary anne she was born 1900 in Gorbals glasgow she married John Joseph Downie on 1921 27 Jun Age: 2 at ST JOHN'S CHURCH PORTUGAL ST It says that her father is deceased on the marriage certificate, Mother is still alive address at the time was 29 SALISBURY ST GLASGOW. Any help is appreciated
Angela

[MonicaL]

Hi Angela

Have you managed to find daughter Mary Ann's birth cert? This should include date and place of parents' marriage which will give you some clues.

Struggling to find them on the 1901 census transcript. Have you been able to find them on this or the 1911 census?

Monica 

Added: Just adding this post of yours which has a little bit more detail www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,526275.0.html

[angelai]

Hi Monica
 I still don't have a birth certificate I have a few from SP but they turned out to be the wrong Maryann. There are so may Mary anne Smith's on SP it would cost a fortune. I googled the chapel hoping to email them but no history for St. Johns in Portugal st is coming up.

[MonicaL]

Can I ask, how have you connected Mary Welsh to parents Richard and Ann? Also, from what source do you have father Nicholas showing as born c. 1870 in Ireland?

Have you had any luck on the censuses for the family?

What occupation showed for father Nicholas on Mary Ann's marriage cert?

Any family names for witnesses at the 1921 wedding?

.....Sorry about all the questions  Every piece of info can help sometimes when searches are hard.

Have you gone down the route of searching for a death for mother Mary Welsh. I can see one entry showing for a Mary Welsh/Smith born c. 1873 in 1936 on SP. Not sure if this might be connected (names are not uncommon so hard to know).

Monica 

[MonicaL]

I googled the chapel hoping to email them but no history for St. Johns in Portugal st is coming up.

Someone else struggling to find the chapel www.network54.com/Forum/5317/message/1242994872/St+Johns,+Portugal+Street,+District+of+Gorbals,+Glasgow

Some photos here, www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=item&key=WczoxMDoic3Qgam9obidzICI7&pg=7  There looks to have also been a primary school attached to the church going by the photos.

Monica

[sancti]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,532707.0.html

[angelai]

Thanks Monica and Sancti

Do you know where I would find the records for  St John's?

[MonicaL]

You could try contacting the Scottish Catholic Archives www.scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk/

Monica 

[angelai]

Monica
 Mary Welsh was born on 1872, 26 Mar HUTCHESONTOWN, GLASGOW, LANARK, SCOTLAND to Richard Welsh and Ann Sergeant. Ann was married before to a Thomas Carmichael. Information came from SP and LDS. Richard was also a widower.
Richard and Ann got married on 1871,13 Jan Age: 32 at St. John's Chapel. Portugal St. Glasgow. Residence 102 Main Street Gorbals,Glasgow.It starts to get confusing  on ancestry there is a few trees with a Richard married to aAnn McNamara so the census I find have all 3 names I don't know if it is them or Ann McNamara.