The Holyland thread!

[Annie65115]

Charlotte Upton is in my tree too! Her brother was my ancestor, and her neice married a Holyland  --- I don't have any info on Charlotte but I doubt her side of the family could be much more scurrilous than her brother!! Do tell!

[timtopham]

Hi ! The first Holliland to appear in my tree was Eleanor Holliland (baptised 6/3/1688 in Desford;d. 20/8/1780 also Desford). She married Andrew Halford from Little Bowden and appears to have married on 22/3/1732 in Poleworth, Warwks. I'm not convinced this last is correct.
Her father was Thomas Holliland.
I would be grateful if you could provide details of the will of Thomas Holyland you mentioned if possible. Quite a tranch of my family lived in Desford, a fact I onlt became aware of having moved to Cornwall. I used to travel daily through Desford on the way to the Dixie Grammar School, Market Bosworth, in the 60s. Regards.
Tim

[Annie65115]

The wills are all available through FindMyPast. You can join up for month at s time if you don't want to go the whole hog.

(Can't give you any more than that as I'm away from home at the moment).

[Taylor94]

Hi, Im also linked with the Holylands.
My 5th Grt Grandmother was Barbara/Barbery Holyland she married Charles Frearson/Freeson 1813 Desford, Leicestershire.
I have Barbara as being bapt 11 Oct 1796 Desford, Leicestershire daughter of Thomas Holyland b.1758 Market Bosworth? and Sarah Crowson/Croson I think.
Interestingly though I found a Will of a Thomas Holyland 1803 and he bequeaths some money to his Niece Barbery Holyland daughter of his brother *Fulcher/Fulsher Holyland?.
There is no other bapts I can see of a Barbara/Barbery...So was my 5th grt grandmother daughter of Thomas like the bapt record says or of this Fulcher/Fulsher Holyland?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Thooperfly]

Hi, Im also linked with the Holylands.
My 5th Grt Grandmother was Barbara/Barbery Holyland she married Charles Frearson/Freeson 1813 Desford, Leicestershire.
I have Barbara as being bapt 11 Oct 1796 Desford, Leicestershire daughter of Thomas Holyland b.1758 Market Bosworth? and Sarah Crowson/Croson I think.
Interestingly though I found a Will of a Thomas Holyland 1803 and he bequeaths some money to his Niece Barbery Holyland daughter of his brother *Fulcher/Fulsher Holyland?.
There is no other bapts I can see of a Barbara/Barbery...So was my 5th grt grandmother daughter of Thomas like the bapt record says or of this Fulcher/Fulsher Holyland?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Perhaps Fulshaw? My Mum's maiden name was Holyland, however I have since found this was a name adopted in 1863, when a Fulshaw Holyland adopted my 2 x Great Grandfather, born Simeon Norman... who then became known as Simeon Norman Holyland.
Fulshaw's father was another Fulshaw. His father was called William, born in Desford in 1783. The Fulshaw name crops up as a first name here and there in the family, but there was also a family linked to the Holylands also called Fulshaw - through Mary Fulshaw, born in Kirkby Mallory in 1709. She was William Holyland's Grandmother.

As for the Holyland name, around the 1600's it was also spelt Holiland.

Unfortunately, although my Mum's family are Holylands - there is no connection to those in Desford due to the bloodline stopping for us at 1863.

[Taylor94]

Thank you for your reply.
Going by what you say it could very well be Fulshaw, I know the will definitely says Fulcher/Fulsher but I assume whoever wrote it heard the name Fulshaw and perhaps wrote how they heard it.
Its strange how the will lists a Barbery/Barbara as Fulshaws daughter and not Thomas as the bapt record says.
I had Thomas as bapt 1758 Market Bosworth, Leicestershire but I've just seen a bapt record for a Fulshaw Holyland 1747 Desford, Leicestershire parents as William and Mary. Thomas's parents seem to be John and Felis (I assume Philis)?
I cant find any burials or Wills for a Fulshaw on FindMyPast, the only marriage is a Fulshaw Holyland in 1839.

*Edit*
I have just found a tree which lists this Fulshaw was married to a Barbara Beck
On the tree it lists him as Fulcher/Fulshaw Holyland and he is living and dies in London but born 1747 Desford, It also lists Barbara as dying whilst giving birth 1783 so if its true couldn't be my barbaras mother.
Fulcher then goes onto marry a Jane Gees in 1798, abt 3 years after my Barbara is born.
Is it possible my barbara was illegitimate and left for Thomas and Sarah to baptise and bring up when perhaps Fulshaw returned to Desford in between marriages?

*Edit*
In the will Thomas also lists his brother Richard Holyland. I've found the bapt for Richard 1745 Desford parents William and Mary Fulshaw same parents as Fulsher/Fulshaw Holyland but the only record for a Thomas I can see lists different parents, I think more digging is in order.

*Edit*
Just found a bapt record for a Barbara Eleanor Holyland Mar 1782 London daughter of Fulsher Holyland and Barbara.
I'm now wondering if there was actually 2 Barbaras one born Desford and one daughter of Fulshaw and the Will was for Fulshaws daughter not my Barbara.

[Annie65115]

My transcription of Desford records does have a Barbara Holyland bapt 11 Oct 1796, parents Thomas and Sarah, with a subsequent public baptism on 25 December.

I believe this is a different Thomas from the one bapt in Market Bosworth in 1758. The Mkt B Thomas married Eleanor Allin and moved into Leicester town some time after 1797; I've no record of him living in Desford.

My Desford transciption has the marriage of Charles Freeson and Barbara Holland (NB not Holyland) in 1813. This could be a spelling or transcription error of course.

I think it likely that there were 2 Barbaras!

[Taylor94]

Thank you for your reply Annie.
The records I've seen on FindMyPast and Ancestry for the marriage list Barbara as Holliland, so perhaps the name might be Holland like you say, Ill do some more digging and see if a Thomas and a Sarah Holland appear in or around Desford.
*Ive looked at the actual record and looks to have been definitely wrote Holliland

[Taylor94]

Come across a Thomas Holyland bapt 1 Apr 1776 Ratby, Leicestershire. Parents as John and Mary,
Possibly could be barbaras father but that would make him 17 yrs old at his marriage in 1793 and Sarah Crowson would be 27.
There is a Thomas Holland who marries Sarah Hawkins 18 May 1789 Leicester St Margarets.
Also a Thomas Hollyland bapt 20 Jul 1760 Blaby son of Thomas and Elizabeth.