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Re: The HOLYLAND thread!
« Reply #54 on: Thursday 09 November 17 14:30 GMT (UK) »
Found a bapt record for a Thomas Holyland 26 Dec 1732 Desford son of William and Mary.
This would tie in with his will in 1803 Desford as it gives the same parents of his brothers Fulshaw and Richard listed in the will.
But ages dont match up unless he married and had a child in his 60s so there must be another generation perhaps?
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Re: The HOLYLAND thread!
« Reply #55 on: Thursday 09 November 17 14:42 GMT (UK) »
I've got lots of jottings about Holylands and they are all rather confusing. but I can see that William H, a butcher of Desford, left his will in 1762 naming his sons Thomas, William, Richard, John and Fulshaw, and his daughters Jane Burgesse and Mary Sharpe. Not sure that that gets us anywhere but I offer it as a potential piece in the jigsaw!
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Rawson (Leicester)
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Re: The HOLYLAND thread!
« Reply #56 on: Thursday 09 November 17 14:44 GMT (UK) »
I've got lots of jottings about Holylands and they are all rather confusing. but I can see that William H, a butcher of Desford, left his will in 1762 naming his sons Thomas, William, Richard, John and Fulshaw, and his daughters Jane Burgesse and Mary Sharpe. Not sure that that gets us anywhere but I offer it as a potential piece in the jigsaw!

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Holyland [Name adopted 1863] - Leics (Leicester, Barrow Upon Soar & Rothley).
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Re: The HOLYLAND thread!
« Reply #57 on: Thursday 09 November 17 14:47 GMT (UK) »
And (also from wills), that William (d 1762) seems to have had a brother Thomas (also a butcher in Desford), a brother John, a baker in Dunton, and a brother Christopher of Market Bosworth, who was a publican.

Then there was another William who was a butcher and farmer in Desford, who had a brother Richarrd, also a butcher, and whose will was dated 1788;

I don't seem to have much about the next generation in Desford, probably because my lot had left there by then.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Leic)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: The HOLYLAND thread!
« Reply #58 on: Thursday 09 November 17 15:09 GMT (UK) »
And (also from wills), that William (d 1762) seems to have had a brother Thomas (also a butcher in Desford), a brother John, a baker in Dunton, and a brother Christopher of Market Bosworth, who was a publican.

Then there was another William who was a butcher and farmer in Desford, who had a brother Richarrd, also a butcher, and whose will was dated 1788;

I don't seem to have much about the next generation in Desford, probably because my lot had left there by then.

I suppose my interest in the Desford Holyland's is a bit superficial, as for my line, the family name was adopted in 1863 through Fulshaw Holyland (b. Saint Margarets', Leicester 1843 d. Leicester Union Workhouse on Swain Street in 1919). His father (another) Fulshaw (b Leicester 1816 d Charnwood Street, Leicester 1877) had parents who were from Desford. William Holyland (1783-1857) and Hannah née Jacques 1782-1857). The parents were both born in the village and also died there. So they must have come to Leicester for some reason, had Fulshaw, then returned back later in life. So I suppose that was the earliest Leicester connection where my adopted family "line" was concerned.

The other odd thing concerning Fulshaw (1843-1919). As I have perhaps mentioned before, he adopted my 2 x Great Grandfather Simeon Norman (1860-1902) around 1863. I don't know if this was an official adoption as in a later newspaper article where Simeon was up in front of the magistrates for having stolen from a shop, he is listed as Simeon Norman "alias" Holyland. Futhermore, Simeons' mother Jane Norman also has a Holyland connection, in that her mother Frances' maiden name was Holyland or Holiland. Frances came from Ashby Folville.

So Jane's hubby to all intense and purposes had the same family name as her mother(!)

I also get the impression that Jane probably went with Fulshaw so she could get out of Mountsorrel workhouse... where she was born in 1844.

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Timson - Leics (Enderby & Croft).
Holyland [Name adopted 1863] - Leics (Leicester, Barrow Upon Soar & Rothley).
Doolan [Name adopted 1899] / Fisher / Munson / Pettican - Essex (Colchester & Layer de la Haye)
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Re: The HOLYLAND thread!
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I have Holyland's on my tree, Thomas Holyland came from Blably,he married Elizabeth Rask, son Thomas
born 1779 Blaby married Elizabeth Doubleday, children Theodosia born Cossington, married Thomas Bevan of Syston.Thomas and Elizabeth had 3 children. After the last child Thomas just disappeared.
Can someone please do look up for me
Blaby PR for Holyland's, needing  Thomas's 1722 parents please.
Thanks



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Re: The HOLYLAND thread!
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 22:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ian
I don't suppose you have any info on the Thomas Holyland bapt 1760 blaby, son of Thomas and Elizabeth? I think this could be my Thomas who married Sarah Croson/Crowson in desford 1793.
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Re: The HOLYLAND thread!
« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 21 November 17 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi fenboy

Can I come back to you tomorrow...there were two thomas's

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Re: The HOLYLAND thread!
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 22 November 17 07:55 GMT (UK) »
Sorry. The Thomas Holyland who was bapt Blaby 9 Jun: 1760 (my direct ancestor) married twice – Mary Brown 18 July:1784  (2 children) buried 17 Nov: 1802 and Mary Kenney 17 Jan: 1803 (5 children) – all at Blaby.

Hope that helps