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Re: Mary Jane CROSS
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 14 November 12 23:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Frank, and welcome to Rootschat.

Many thanks for posting the details of Mary Jane - it was a good hunt and it's nice to know the real story of one of our searches. Good to see some relatives able to get in touch through Rootschat.

Judith
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Re: Mary Jane CROSS
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 15 November 12 03:15 GMT (UK) »

Hello Frank and Welcome  :D

I am very interested to read your article
"A line of Buntings from Northern Ireland".
Unfortunately I can't seem to locate it on the
Bunting Society Web page.
Can you give me a link to it please
or directions on how to find it.

After I read it I will check my information ( it's on an old computer at the
moment  :-\ and be in touch again.

Raylen  :)
Tuck-Baydon,Wiltshire
Woolford-Hampshire
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Re: Mary Jane CROSS
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 15 November 12 14:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Raylen
I just checked the Bunting Society website and now see that if you log on as a non-member there, you only seem to get editorials from the journal rather than the articles. I didn't realise that, so my apologies. Membership is inexpensive, but perhaps not relevant enough for you.

Once we have had a few exchanges in this forum, I think we can exchange email addresses. I can then send you the article directly. I think we can then collaborate via email using our respective info/insights to finally sort out the remaining ambiguities. We can then revert to this forum to present our combined understanding which by then should be fairly robust. I am pretty confident about Mary Jane Cross/Monro/Bunting/Burns, but am less so about her her parents. 

I see you are from the Cross family line. I currently live in England, but I recall meeting a male Cross Masters or PhD student at Latrobe University (Chisholm College) in/around 1972. We was from Strathbogie and I said to him then that I had been told by my parents that we had Cross relatives from that general area. We couldn't resolve any connection over quite a few glasses of apple wine. I have forgotten his name, but maybe you know of him? My cousin (Paul) was also at Chisholm and I can see now that he also descended (now deceased) from those same Cross ancestors as me.

Best regards
Frank

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Re: Mary Jane CROSS
« Reply #30 on: Friday 16 November 12 08:47 GMT (UK) »


Thanks Frank

I think you have made enough posts to use the
Personal Message system  (PM).
I have now sent you a PM with my email address and
look forward to hearing from you

Raylen
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Re: Mary Jane CROSS
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 02 December 12 11:11 GMT (UK) »

Hi everyone,
Just an update on what has been an interesting search.

After exchanging emails, information and from what has been posted
here, Frank has come up with, what he/we believe is a plausible solution to some
of the riddles posed.
John Cross may have misled us by declaring Thomas and Harriet as
his natural parents. It is worth noting that on Harriet’s death, Henry who
was a lowly farm labourer, was left with 5 kids to care for and a newly
married 17-18 year old daughter (Mary Jane) who had a 2-3 month old baby.
With that in mind, we looked at the children as listed on Harriet’s death certificate in 1858.

Mary Jane 18 yrs   Born Mary Jane Cross (illegitimately c1841), but
Henry Monro was her dad as named on her marriage record to William Bunting.
She used either Cross or Munro names on various records. She married Williams Bunting
in 1857 then married Michael Burns following Williams death.
John William 14 yrs Born John William Cross (probably illeg., 1844), but
may have used Monro surname at times until age 14. No records found of
this but his sister Mary Jane did exactly this.    After his mother’s death, maybe
John and some other of his younger siblings moved into the care of family
members in the district.  The guess is that John went into the care of Harriet’s
brother, Thomas Cross and his wife Harriet, nee. Williams. There is an
In Memorium notice 1897 in Euroa Advertiser to his ( John's) sister Mary Jane Burns.
This would explain how he is recorded as having different parents to his sister
in the records! So Thomas and Harriet Cross (his uncle and auntie) became
John’s adopted or foster parents. He declared them as his parents and he
dropped the use of his second name, William, on his death and marriage records.     
Arthur 10 yrs   Born 1848 as Arthur Munro  Died 1859, (he was aged 10
at both events) and recorded as Henry Arthur in error, that being his father’s name.
Henry 7 yrs    Born 1850 as Henry Munro  It is possible that he was
the one who married Maria Underwood in 1872 (in Violet Town at 22 years old).
If so, his father’s likely birth place (Armagh) is stated as his in error on the marriage
record. Also his mother as stated on the record (Nancy Hall) may have  been
his “step mother”, after Harriet’s death 14 years prior. This Henry had a daughter
Elizabeth Harriet Munro  b. 1875, d. 1944, m. Andrew Mitchell.  He died 1878 aged 29.
His birthplace is recorded in the index of death certificate as “unknown”, and his mother “Annie Hall”
Ann 5 yrs   Born approx 1853 as Ann Munro.
Catherine 18mths Born approx 1856 as Catherine Munro
No further information available as yet.  Aside from a possible early death, they may have
been adopted out/fostered to family or friends, and under gone a surname change.


Thanks to all of you who helped in this search and to Frank for making contact and
making everything seem so logical now   ;D

Raylen
Tuck-Baydon,Wiltshire
Woolford-Hampshire
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Re: Mary Jane CROSS
« Reply #32 on: Friday 07 July 17 16:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Rayleen - this is very interesting and ads to my family story.  I can't say agree with it all.  My ggrandmother was Annie Munro (Cross) she also used both Munro and Cross on documents.  It appears that Harriett may have had two children prior to marrying Henry Arthur Munro.  She arrived in Melbourne in 1840 on the John Bull.  My cousin has been down to Longwood to some research and he found out that the two youngest children were raised by John and Mary (Scott) Munro (Henry's brother)
You make mention that John was possibly raised by Harriet's brother - did he come out here as well.
Below is a note on the findagrave website for the grave of Harriett Cross
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=159882557.
Your thoughts???
Noleen

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Re: Mary Jane CROSS
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 08 July 17 04:10 BST (UK) »
You may be interested in another current thread which looks at the English origins of  Harriet CROSS.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546293.0

Judith
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Re: Mary Jane CROSS
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 08 July 17 05:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you Judith
I have read these two posts and followed through with them
I have my ideas of how this all comes together but need to find more to be able to prove things
I am just learning and find it difficult to find the right information
I need to find more info on the Munro side as well.
Harriett is doing my head in

Thank you again

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Harriet Cross, Mary Jane Cross/Munro/Bunting/Burns, Catherine Burns
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 15 July 17 15:40 BST (UK) »
Good evening Noleen,
The ladies names above are my Grandmother, GGrandmother & GGGrandmother.
I have a comprehensive file with photos, birth, death & marriage certificates, ships logs and paper cuttings.
I am happy to send to you but unable to do so in this forum as the file is too big.
Clearly, we are related albeit distantly. I live in Victoria and was at Longwood on the weekend.
I communicated to Raylen in 2012 as I am attempting to find my Grand Uncle - Patrick Emmet Burns.
I will take your guidance on how to communicate with you.
Warm regard - Euroa Tim
Patrick Emmett Burns