I feel a bit embarrassed. William Williams of Rhosgill Fawr is my great, great, great, great, great uncle, brother of my great*4 grandmother of Jonet Williams; they are both children of William and Margaret Griffith of Punt y Gwair Llanengan. John Williams of Ty Hir a son of William Williams of Rhosgill compiled the inventory for the estate Richard Edwards of Brynrhydd too. I even looked at the will of William Williams a couple of days ago and missed Evan Williams at Llys Patrick!
If this all hangs correctly Evan Williams then married Mary Jones of Cae'r Eithin Tew, Llanfihangel-y-p and baptised 4 children at Llanfihangel-y-p and was at Efail Uchaf Penmorfa by 1841, then moved to Llys Patrick by the time William Williams of Rhosgill wrote his will and moved again which allowed his sister Jane and second husband Robert Griffith to move to Llys Patrick from Brynrhydd?
Going back to William Williams of Rhosgill, Lowry was his first and only wife. She died at Cwm Llanaelhaearn on 12/04/1853 and is buried in Llanarmon. Cwm Llanaelhaearn was the home of daughter Elizabeth and her husband William Jones who married in 1829 at Llanarmon.
I know that William Williams and Lowry spent some time in Llannor parish before moving to Llanarmon. They baptised Anne at Llanengan in 1758 and their abode was Punt y Gwair in the register. John Williams (of Ty Hir Llanarmon) was baptised in Llannor in 1793 and I've found a baptism for Evan at Llannor in 1788 with Hendre Uchaf as an abode for his parents William and Lowry Williams. William Williams who was at Tyddyn Madryn Coch Llanystumdwy was baptised in Llannor in 1782. There is a match for Evan Williams born 1788 in Llannor in as a publican at Fourcrosses with a young wife Mary aged 39 from Llanddeiniolen and a granddaughter Mary Williams aged 15 from Liverpool. I may have found a burial for Mary first wife of Evan Williams, on y ffor.com there is a burial for a Mary Williams of Rhoshill aged 53 on 27/11/1845 and Evan Williams of Pontrhychdwr (late Rhosgyll) aged 92 on 28/02/1879. It's a good fit age-wise but whether I've got the right ones I'm not sure.
This leaves Elizabeth born ca 1800, Ellen born ca 1800 (going off the 1841 census so + or - 5 years) and Jane born ca 1803 which need to be found. My gut feeling is they were born in Llanarmon.
The Penrhyndeudraeth address for grandson Robert and John Edwards in the will of William Williams Rhosgill is surprising but still possible. It looks like William Williams Rhosgill skipped over Jane and on to his grandsons Robert and John Edwards; he may not have been too happy that she married Robert Griffith.
If this does hang together then Rachel Paynter - 'Rahel o Fon' is my 1st cousin 7 times removed. That wasn't the reason why I was researching her but that's an amazing find if correct.
thank you once again and regards
David